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Meet this Weeks Guest: Adam Kinakin
In the Spring of 2019, the founder of ILET Summit, Adam Kinakin, started a new podcast called The Tactical Breakdown. The core premise was to give members of the public safety, emergency response, and military a “behind-the-scenes” look at how we create and deliver training.
The podcast got immediate traction by quickly reaching 50,000 downloads in over 82 countries, so in December 2019, a conversation started around delivering unmatched access to training to officers around the world. This initial concept became what is now the ILET Summit.
Fast forward to March 2020, Covid-19 restrictions had effectively shut down all training around the world and the inaugural International Law Enforcement Training (ILET) Summit was hosted 100% online to approx 10,000 law enforcement professionals from 76 countries.
The summit is still going strong today. More information can be found at https://www.ilet.network/company
Show Notes from This Episode
EPISODE OVERVIEW:
In this episode of The Blue Line Podcast, host Wayne Mulder interviews Adam Kinakin, the founder of the Tactical Breakdown podcast and organizer of the International Law Enforcement Training (ILET) Summit. The episode covers a wide range of topics centered around law enforcement training, the need for continuous improvement in public safety education, and the importance of creating global platforms for knowledge-sharing among police, military, and emergency response professionals. Kinakin shares his journey, including how a military injury shifted his career focus toward training and education for law enforcement.
The episode highlights the ILET Summit's growth since its inception in 2019, now featuring international participation and valuable resources for law enforcement and military communities. The conversation touches on training methodologies, the impact of instructor-led courses, and how law enforcement can improve through collaborative efforts across various sectors, including private security, military, and public safety.
Kinakin also discusses the importance of adapting to new challenges in law enforcement, emphasizing the need for continuous learning and the role of community-driven training platforms. He promotes a global perspective, encouraging the adoption of effective strategies from around the world.
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00:00:00:00 - 00:00:18:22
Wayne Mulder
Welcome to the, The Blue Line podcast. It is Thursday, September 26th, 2024. Our thoughts are with all of those in the path of Hurricane Helene as it, heads here towards Florida and, with the potential storm surge along the coast. So we're thinking of you all. But this week, an in-depth look at law enforcement training.
00:00:18:24 - 00:00:21:08
Wayne Mulder
The On the Blue Line podcast starts now.
00:00:52:04 - 00:01:09:00
Wayne Mulder
All right. Well, welcome. If this is your first time finding us, I'm glad you are here. If you want to know more about, this podcast on the Blue line.com, you can find all of our past episodes and some other information about who I am and what the podcast is all about. Any of your feedback? I'd love to hear from you.
00:01:09:00 - 00:01:23:01
Wayne Mulder
You can reach out to me directly at Wayne@ontheblueline.com. I'm trying to make some big decisions on what I'm going to even do with this podcast, so I'd love to get your feedback. Send me an email. Let me know why you listen. If you do listen, if you absolutely hate it, let me know that.
00:01:23:03 - 00:01:51:05
Wayne Mulder
But just tell me, you know, do you enjoy the interview shows? Do you enjoy the, solo shows? Is there particular content you're enjoying? Love to get your feedback, because that helps a lot. And making decisions on what I'm going to do next year. And then lastly, all the podcasts are also done in video. We actually had a really good, feedback last week on the episode that I did, on the six lies that I have been, told about law enforcement and got a lot of positive feedback on that episode.
00:01:51:09 - 00:02:11:16
Wayne Mulder
And that's all on our YouTube channel. So either YouTube or Rumble, you can find the videos there each and every week. And that is that on the blue line on both of those. And then this week, the episode that I'm bringing you is another interview show. And this is the last of the prerecorded episodes. So if you've been following for about the last two months, then you know the story.
00:02:11:16 - 00:02:28:22
Wayne Mulder
I was out for about a year after a heart surgery and had a substantial backlog of episodes that we needed to get out to you guys, because I wanted to make sure that you were aware of each and every one of these guest, but then also because there's important things that we discuss during these episodes that are really it's evergreen content.
00:02:28:24 - 00:02:52:12
Wayne Mulder
It's just as practical. In fact, the irony with some of these, as if they were almost, prophetic in the way that what we were talking about in some cases a year and a half, two years ago is exactly, what occurred today. So, I think you're going to enjoy this episode as well. This week, the guest is Adam Kanak, and he is the host or was the host of the Tactical Breakdown podcast.
00:02:52:14 - 00:03:27:09
Wayne Mulder
And that project took off back in 2019, and it led to the formation of something called the International Law Enforcement Training, or Ilot Summit. They had a great year in 2020 and kind of took everything online. So there's a lot of content that you can get just by going to their website. And pretty much it continued the premise of his podcast, which was to give members of the public safety communities the emergency response and military a behind the scenes look at how to create and deliver training, and then some of the things that we're doing right, and some of the things that we can always do better at, right.
00:03:27:11 - 00:03:50:10
Wayne Mulder
So as you can imagine, there was a massive need for this, and the response was very positive. And it led to this summit, because this is an evergreen episode, you're going to hear some of the dates and so forth that we are talking about. Don't be dismayed. It is still going and it's still a great thing. So if you click on any of the links on whatever platform you're listening to this on, it will take you to the up to date information and the next summit.
00:03:50:10 - 00:04:09:08
Wayne Mulder
The fifth annual actually takes place in Davie, Florida, and it's next May 20th through the 22nd, May 2025 and the 20th through the 22nd. So just click on any of the links on whichever platform you're listening to this and it will take you there. So I think this is a fun, meandering conversation. We get into a lot of different topics.
00:04:09:08 - 00:04:18:04
Wayne Mulder
We go down a lot of different roads, and I think you're going to enjoy that. It's very entertaining and, I'm not going to take any more time. Here's this week's guest, Adam connecting.
00:04:18:06 - 00:04:20:20
Wayne Mulder
Adam, welcome to the show.
00:04:20:22 - 00:04:22:12
Adam Kinakin
Thanks, brother. Thanks for having me.
00:04:22:14 - 00:04:35:19
Wayne Mulder
Absolutely. I am glad we could sit down. We've already been laughing, and we've only been talking a couple minutes, so I'm sure this is going to be a great show. And I'm sure the listeners are going to enjoy this. So thank you for joining me yet again.
00:04:35:21 - 00:04:55:22
Adam Kinakin
No, man. Absolutely. And, I'll preface this whole conversation by saying, I apologize if at some point, a, a little gremlin runs in here, I have four children, two, three, four and five. And, unbeknownst to me, my wife decided to, take off this weekend to go do some stuff. So I got the, I got the entire circus.
00:04:55:22 - 00:04:58:09
Adam Kinakin
So, we're going to juggle that as we have to.
00:04:58:11 - 00:05:13:12
Wayne Mulder
As we should. And there's nothing wrong with that. In fact, we all enjoy it. I've got my little gremlins now. 20, almost 21 years old, so he shouldn't be running in anywhere. But I have two mastiffs that like to, steal the show. Any chance they get?
00:05:13:14 - 00:05:15:09
Adam Kinakin
Fair enough.
00:05:15:11 - 00:05:20:23
Wayne Mulder
All right, so let's start with the easy questions for you, Adam. Coffee or tea?
00:05:21:00 - 00:05:23:11
Adam Kinakin
I was army buddy. Let's go with coffee.
00:05:23:13 - 00:05:38:12
Wayne Mulder
You know, you would think that that question would always have that simple of an answer, but it is not that simple. I mean, I'll have guys that, you know, the Army, swat whatever. It'd be like. Yeah, no green tea, you know, whatever. It's, I that's why I always have to ask that question.
00:05:38:14 - 00:05:39:16
Speaker 3
That's funny.
00:05:39:18 - 00:05:47:01
Wayne Mulder
What's your favorite place to have that drink, though? Where's that place that brings you peace? Where you just kind of can unplug and enjoy life?
00:05:47:03 - 00:06:09:21
Adam Kinakin
That's a great question. You know what? I'm the kind of person I can enjoy time pretty much anywhere. In fact, my, my wife gets very frustrated because I have the ability to sit down wherever I need to and literally shut everything off. And so I can sit in the middle of a, the living room with children screaming and running everywhere.
00:06:09:21 - 00:06:26:19
Adam Kinakin
And if I'm not paying attention to it, I can sit there and enjoy coffee and not think two things of anything that's happening around me, which frustrates her to no end. But for me, I can sit down. I don't care if it's at the lake. You know, if it's outside on the deck, if it's in the living room, it doesn't matter if I'm.
00:06:26:19 - 00:06:32:15
Adam Kinakin
If I get a coffee, a warm coffee, and stuff isn't blowing up around me. We're we're golden.
00:06:32:17 - 00:06:40:17
Wayne Mulder
It's awesome. That is a, impressive talent. Like, can you bring that to reading and concentrating on business things as well? Like, can you.
00:06:40:18 - 00:07:01:11
Adam Kinakin
Oh, God, no, I have ADHD. No, no, I'm okay I am. Yeah. No. Yeah. I have, very, very bad ADHD. And so, I mean, the term we obviously used, and very common in this space is, you know, shiny object syndrome, but that's, that's, just the way it is. So. No. Do I have the ability to focus in on things when I need to?
00:07:01:14 - 00:07:07:08
Adam Kinakin
I don't have the ability to focus. I have the ability to not focus on anything perfect.
00:07:07:08 - 00:07:07:16
Speaker 3
Okay.
00:07:07:19 - 00:07:23:05
Wayne Mulder
What it is, I and I may share that, quality, but. Yeah. No. When when everything's going on around me, nothing's getting done because I, I'm like, what in the heck is going on here? Let me ask you, Adam, you got a best or worst travel story?
00:07:23:07 - 00:07:57:08
Adam Kinakin
Best or worst travel? Oh, geez. I don't know, work related or non-work related. Let's, you know, I do have, I have a recent travel story, I guess, I had the opportunity to to go down, this summer. I had a, I did a bit of a road trip, and so it started, one of our partners here at Ireland is now after the National Association of Field Training Officers, and they were running their conference in Louisville, in June.
00:07:57:08 - 00:08:16:07
Adam Kinakin
And so I actually had the opportunity to drive down. So I drove down to Louisville, and I made some stops along the way and stopped in Chicago and saw some folks with, like four science and caliber press. And I drove down and I saw some more folks in Saint Louis, and then over down to, to Louisville. Had a phenomenal time there.
00:08:16:07 - 00:08:34:15
Adam Kinakin
The amount of bourbon that was consumed probably shouldn't be spoken of. And then I drove down to Kentucky. Are not Kentucky. Pardon me? Tennessee. Which was fun for me because it was the first time that I had a chance to ever go to the Jack Daniels Distillery. I've been a Jack Daniels fan forever, and so I spent some time there.
00:08:34:17 - 00:08:50:22
Adam Kinakin
And then I was I spent some time with some friends at Tennessee and then back up and did all the stops along the way and KC and everything back up. And then the second I got home, eight hours later, I jumped on a plane and flew down to Florida for another government. So it was like it was a hectic 3 or 4 weeks.
00:08:50:22 - 00:09:03:10
Adam Kinakin
But, there was just a I got to see so many people in such a short period of time, it felt like I did a year's worth of travel condensed into one thing. So that was a really cool, experience of summer.
00:09:03:12 - 00:09:20:00
Wayne Mulder
That's great. And that's, beautiful parts of the country, too. Let's actually, I got another of these questions for you, but let's jump in there to a little bit of your backstory because you're saying you came down. So let's let the listeners kind of know where you came from and a little bit of, your story and we'll kind of we've it together from there.
00:09:20:02 - 00:09:45:24
Adam Kinakin
Sure, sure. Yeah. It's funny, with I Latin, with everything. Obviously we work a lot with law enforcement and, and folks in the United States, I'm actually, in fact, Canadian. So I'm up in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. Right now for reference. It is, minus three. So what? Whatever. What would that be? That'd be 27, 26, 27 degrees.
00:09:46:01 - 00:09:54:02
Adam Kinakin
For you guys. And I'm still going to push to have you guys join the rest of the world and, and use the metric system. But I think that's ever going to happen.
00:09:54:03 - 00:09:56:18
Wayne Mulder
We have this conversation every time we talk, at every.
00:09:56:18 - 00:10:20:12
Adam Kinakin
Time the, Sorry. So my background, I was former Canadian Forces, I was an infantry officer. And I ended up being the training officer with our regiment. I've always been involved in martial arts defensive tactics my entire life. That's been that's been, something that's been fun for me. And it kind of all melted together.
00:10:20:12 - 00:10:43:22
Adam Kinakin
I ended up injuring myself. Was the injury myself, but I was injured. When I was with the military. Ended up with a pretty significant spinal injury. Ended up releasing, and due to my release, and the injury at the time, I wasn't comfortable trying to jump into something like law enforcement or public safety or anything like that.
00:10:43:22 - 00:11:11:03
Adam Kinakin
Just because we didn't know where the the injury was going to go. So it's resolved now. And this was many, many moons ago. Still some permanent damage there, but I'm able to I can still go Jets when I want. I can go do all the stuff that I need to do. But, everything's circled back around to all of the relationships that I had built in my time as a trainer, as an instructor, working with police, working with military, working with private sector.
00:11:11:05 - 00:11:28:21
Adam Kinakin
And in that time, I, I, I just like to say that I was always in the right place at the right time. I was always introduced to the right person. And it just so happened to be some of the best trainers in the world. And so I took advantage of that. I started a podcast, Tactical Breakdown in 2019.
00:11:28:23 - 00:11:45:06
Adam Kinakin
And the concept of that podcast is, it was training. It was talking about training. It was talking about, you know, when we're on the range and there's a really cool drill and it's like, hey, hey, cycle through this. And then you spent five minutes, you're like, wow, I really feel like I got a lot out of that.
00:11:45:06 - 00:12:07:06
Adam Kinakin
That was really cool. Let's run it again. Let's run it again. I want to take the five minutes of training, and I want to go back and talk about the 80 hours that went into building the five minutes of training, because a lot of times the the front facing the end user from the training perspective sees what we want them to see.
00:12:07:08 - 00:12:31:13
Adam Kinakin
They don't see the process. And so I'm a huge fan of Simon Sinek. I don't know if anybody, listening to your show is familiar with who he is. Sure they are. Okay, so he wrote the book Golden Circle. Lots of different things that so many, things from, from his teachings that I draw from. And I love the concept of the why.
00:12:31:13 - 00:12:53:12
Adam Kinakin
And so that was kind of what the podcast started, just more from the, training space in the law enforcement military world. Right, right. And, I at the same time, in 2019, we had had our first kid. We are second. Third. I don't even know why. Didn't know. And, we're on. We are. Whatever, kid we were at.
00:12:53:14 - 00:12:55:09
Wayne Mulder
Honey, how many leads do we have? Yeah.
00:12:55:11 - 00:13:10:08
Adam Kinakin
My wife was, I had to, You can't. I don't know if you can see that. You won't see this on the audio. I have actually, the my kid's birthdays tattooed on my arm, so I don't forget them. There you go again. That's that's, you know, it makes the most sense. At the same time, everybody was staying at home.
00:13:10:08 - 00:13:40:07
Adam Kinakin
I was working from home. My wife was staying at home with the kids as a caregiver, and, she wanted to do some online stuff with different businesses with her background. So I ended up doing a whole bunch of things online and, learning a bunch of things. And then, I had this concept because at the time and again, this is pre-COVID, there were virtual summits that were taking place in other industries, and virtual summits is essentially taking a conference and putting it online so that people can access that remotely.
00:13:40:07 - 00:14:00:24
Adam Kinakin
Right, right. We know that now, 2019, that was a foreign concept. And so we started I started reaching out to all of these instructors that I knew. Right? Dave Grossman and Tony Blair and Tim Kennedy and all of these folks that I knew would be like, hey, these are big draws. Like these guys. Like people would come in and listen to these folks.
00:14:00:24 - 00:14:19:08
Adam Kinakin
And then what I did was I reached out to people that I knew were the best in the world at their thing that maybe nobody even knew about. And the thought was, well, what if we put something together that allowed everybody to access, even if they never had access to that person before, or didn't know that that information existed?
00:14:19:08 - 00:14:35:16
Adam Kinakin
Because and I'm sure you're aware, especially in North America, the, the you can go even a county over and agencies will not work with one another. They won't share training, they won't share information, and.
00:14:35:16 - 00:14:42:07
Wayne Mulder
They can be in the same county, because you can have cities and city governments within that county, and they don't communicate with each other.
00:14:42:09 - 00:15:04:18
Adam Kinakin
Right? Absolutely. And so that's one of those things that it was really interesting to me because I wanted to take somebody from Arizona who was an expert at what they do, and show them to people in New York, or show them to people in North Dakota, or show them to people in Toronto or Australia. And conversely, the same thing.
00:15:04:20 - 00:15:28:04
Adam Kinakin
So what I wanted to do is put this event together, and that was all built out by December 2019, January 2020. And so we're sitting there were like, okay, how are we going to put this all together? I didn't even know if it was going to be successful because like I said at the time, especially in this industry, you know, that wasn't that was unheard of.
00:15:28:06 - 00:15:49:15
Adam Kinakin
And so of course, Covid hit and we're sitting there and I'm like, well, geez, I guess, might as well hit start on this whole thing. And, and just kind of see what happens. We, we launched it. We did our first summit July 2020. We had over 10,000 officers from 76 countries attend our first event. Well, and so that was unexpected.
00:15:49:17 - 00:16:12:05
Adam Kinakin
It was a bit overwhelming. We ended up raising actually, we decided to donate all of our profit to charities. We ended up donating a lot of money to our friends over cop line. And if anybody here who's unfamiliar with Cop Line, they're a phenomenal organization. That's a crisis line, a resource for, law and for active duty and retired law enforcement, and public safety.
00:16:12:05 - 00:16:17:07
Adam Kinakin
And the cool thing that they do, and obviously, I didn't come here to to pitch cop line everybody, but.
00:16:17:07 - 00:16:18:19
Wayne Mulder
But it's a great resource. So. Absolutely.
00:16:18:19 - 00:16:53:17
Adam Kinakin
But, the one thing that they do and this kind of goes back into your first question of one of your questions there about my background, one of the things that they do that is different than anybody else right now is if you call them, you're speaking to somebody who is a retired police officer who has been trained in, trauma and crisis response and is able to understand what it is that you're talking about, at least relate to on a, on the basic level of we've both done the job.
00:16:53:19 - 00:17:31:10
Adam Kinakin
I understand what you're going through. Yeah, right. At least to some extent. I thought that was so critical. And the reason being is when I left the military, obviously, with injury and all of these things, I cycled through, you know, therapists and professionals that I was speaking with to, to kind of to, to put back together my life at that point because that's all I had was, was the military and I, that that transition was very difficult for me specifically because also, obviously here in North America, we are very heavily reliant on opiates when it comes to dealing with injuries.
00:17:31:16 - 00:17:48:24
Adam Kinakin
So I was very chemically dependent on opiates. And then when I was trying to get off opiates, I was self-medicating with alcohol and all of these things. And I and I don't mean to say that like it was a drawn out process. It was maybe over the span of a year, total. But in that year was very difficult.
00:17:48:24 - 00:18:05:07
Adam Kinakin
And so I would keep going to these people and, or I'd be putting in touch with these professionals, and every time I'd go to them, they were never former military. They they were civilians. They had no idea what what it is that we did or what our jobs were or what we saw or what, you know, all all of those things.
00:18:05:09 - 00:18:37:01
Adam Kinakin
And so you would have to spend the first, however many hours with them just explaining the basics of our job, essentially, so that they could understand. And then so I could even get into the shit that was going on. Right. And so my personal experience with that. Was so frustrating that when I heard about what Cop Line was doing and saying, hey, no, listen, we want people, if you pick up the phone, there's going to be somebody there that understands at least at the very minimum, what it means to do the job that you're doing.
00:18:37:03 - 00:18:50:06
Adam Kinakin
And then that way you have a starting point. And I thought that was so awesome. And that's why we supported them. And, and we've supported lots of organizations since, since that first event. But that was kind of the first one. And that's just a little interesting Segway to go go down.
00:18:50:08 - 00:19:07:05
Wayne Mulder
Yeah. No, absolutely. And I'm glad you shared that. Yeah. Couplings are great. There's some great, resources out there now, thank God, because they are more and more coming online. But yeah, complying is one of them. That is really great. And what I love is, like you said, because that's part of the problem or the stigma that we find, especially among law.
00:19:07:05 - 00:19:28:21
Wayne Mulder
I can speak to law enforcement officers because I wasn't in the military, but I'm sure it's a similar thing there where when you're talking with someone who hasn't shared this experience and hasn't, seen the things that we've seen, it's very difficult to have these conversations with them because there really is a at least a perception of them not understanding what it is that we've seen and what it is that we've been through.
00:19:28:21 - 00:19:43:08
Wayne Mulder
So, yeah, no, that's a great resource. And I really, am thankful that not only are you sharing it, but you guys are doing such great things to raise money for. So let me put a pin in the story here, because I want to break some of these down one by one. Some of the great things that you did.
00:19:43:08 - 00:19:56:09
Wayne Mulder
But let me go back. So this road trip of yours. So did you come down through Michigan or did you come down from the northeast, or how did you, come in and then where I'm going with it from there because you drove through what I consider. So I was born in Michigan and grew up in Indiana.
00:19:56:09 - 00:20:17:10
Wayne Mulder
So I consider these some of the most beautiful parts of the country in my, very, not object of opinion. And so, in fact, my brother actually lives in Louisville, Kentucky. So, that's, beautiful country up that way. My second question I have to ask, did you do the tour at the Jack Daniels Distillery? Because I've never done it, and I've got to hear more about this.
00:20:17:12 - 00:20:40:00
Adam Kinakin
Yeah. No, absolutely. No, I did the full tour. The, whatever the premium package they had there was. That's the one I went on the, where you get the, the higher shelf type stuff. But, no. And it was a phenomenal, phenomenal tour. I mean, it's obviously very professional. It's like they obviously do it a lot, like it's it is a is a pretty smooth running operation that they have there.
00:20:40:00 - 00:21:01:16
Adam Kinakin
They. Right. I think they on a tour every like six minutes. So it's yeah it's it's it's fairly extensive the way they have that built out. But it is neat because even they, even though they run that I went on a weekend so they actually like nothing was up and running. They weren't really working or doing anything there.
00:21:01:18 - 00:21:25:06
Adam Kinakin
But, yeah, I guess they run it during the week and, you know, everything's moving the way it normally would like. Everyone's doing their stuff, and, it's kind of cool the way they just kind of give you open access to it. Obviously some places that are like, the other funniest thing is, and I don't know if it's just me or if it's, you know, I, I don't know how to say this, I, I hate people.
00:21:25:08 - 00:21:27:03
Speaker 3
Okay. Like, there's just certain.
00:21:27:03 - 00:21:48:02
Adam Kinakin
People I don't know if it's just because of our experiences or what. It's just it's like you go there and they're like, no photos. No. It's like, because this is it's they're taking us into a room to show you something, but it's part of, like, you know, they they show you how the sausage is made, right? And they're kind of like, don't share this.
00:21:48:02 - 00:22:06:15
Adam Kinakin
And they now this is something that their competitors probably don't know. No, but they're still like just please don't. And obviously there's different things with lighting and the certain chemicals and different stuff that they have depending. And you're literally in there and she literally goes, okay, no photos or videos in this area. Like very clearly to everyone.
00:22:06:20 - 00:22:10:22
Adam Kinakin
And people pull out their phones and, and you just sit there, you're like.
00:22:10:24 - 00:22:16:17
Speaker 3
What are you doing? Right? Like it's it's it's like.
00:22:16:19 - 00:22:29:13
Adam Kinakin
You know, I know you've had this. It's like you just really want to slap somebody and you just you're not allowed to. So that's that was a part of my experience. But overall it was phenomenal. I loved it and, would definitely go back.
00:22:29:15 - 00:22:50:09
Wayne Mulder
Awesome and highly recommended. It sounds like. So to all the listeners that make it up there to that Tennessee area, they definitely have got to go. Yeah. No, I think this whole, hey, people, at least in that humorous context, is definitely something any law enforcement officer shares. It's just that part of humanity. It's like, what in the heck are you thinking?
00:22:50:11 - 00:23:00:01
Wayne Mulder
And I don't know how many times I've almost articulated that even, like on scenes or during traffic stops where you're like, at what point did this seem like a good idea to you?
00:23:00:03 - 00:23:03:07
Adam Kinakin
Right? Seemed like a good idea at the time.
00:23:03:09 - 00:23:22:16
Wayne Mulder
Exactly, exactly. All right. So my last of my get to know your questions was going to be what is the top 1 or 2 training books that you would recommend. And then I'm going to dovetail this into, kind of what you're doing with eyelet. But what are the top 1 or 2 train books and why. And I know you've got hundreds like I heard you on one talk about the top ten.
00:23:22:16 - 00:23:24:12
Wayne Mulder
So. Yeah. So, so.
00:23:24:14 - 00:23:29:01
Adam Kinakin
There's I, I and, I don't know if this goes on on video or not, but if it does.
00:23:29:01 - 00:23:29:12
Wayne Mulder
It does.
00:23:29:13 - 00:23:48:24
Adam Kinakin
Yeah. Folks will see the, the these are all training books. For the most part, there's some stuff in there from, like, things that I find, enjoyment in reading, like on, psychology and, serial killers and stuff like that. I know it sounds really weird, but, that was what my background was when I was in university.
00:23:49:01 - 00:23:54:14
Adam Kinakin
There are a lot of really, really great books.
00:23:54:16 - 00:24:30:15
Adam Kinakin
Training at the Speed of Life, is a phenomenal book. There is I mean, training is such a difficult one to to pass out because they're so specific, right? Right. So I can find training books, or information that is useful for any subsection of what we want to teach. So I can go back here and I can pull out, you know, books on use of force training and reality based training and or systems based training or whatever it is, like there's there's so many different things.
00:24:30:21 - 00:25:00:07
Adam Kinakin
I have one right here. I was going through it, training on how to actually deliver presentations. Right. Like how to be a presenter, how to speak in front of people, how to engage, how to develop, learning and attentiveness, how to do all of those things. There are a ton of resources available. But, what I would say and to not to skirt your question because obviously there are a thousand books that we could talk about, right?
00:25:00:09 - 00:25:05:11
Adam Kinakin
What I will say is this.
00:25:05:13 - 00:25:22:18
Adam Kinakin
Find a topic that you're interested in that you want to be. So if it's just training in general or whatever, don't get sucked into the bubble of, oh, this was written by a cop for cops, and I'm going to use it.
00:25:22:20 - 00:25:24:14
Speaker 3
Yeah, right. Yep.
00:25:24:16 - 00:26:00:13
Adam Kinakin
The amount of resources that are available in this world right now that do not have to do anything with law enforcement, military, public safety or anything in that realm that are directly applicable to what we do and how we teach is astronomical. Yeah. And so I would recommend that for obviously the, the with your listeners and my listeners and, and knowing the kind of the core demographic there, if I were to recommend anything, I would say start looking at information that is outside of what you would usually look for.
00:26:00:15 - 00:26:29:18
Adam Kinakin
And so look for books in areas that have nothing to do with what you're wanting to talk about, because those little outside pieces of information will either confirm, write your thesis on certain topics and say, oh yeah, that make up, we're doing it here, they're doing it there. It obviously works. They're going to challenge some of your preconceived thoughts on is something a viable method or not?
00:26:29:20 - 00:26:48:09
Adam Kinakin
Because they'll say in one industry that this doesn't work at all. And we're and we'll over here, we'll be like, well, we've been doing this for 15 years. And then you go, where's the disconnect? And that's going to send you down a rabbit hole. And those are so valuable because it challenges our thought process and challenges us to think differently.
00:26:48:11 - 00:27:16:01
Adam Kinakin
And if we can think differently, which is also another. There's a book called Think Differently. It's also a very good book. There's lots of things like that that are, that are very useful. And so, I mean, we have reading lists, we have all of those things. And, if any of your, anybody's listening to this and you are interested and you want like, very in-depth resources and reading lists for, topics in law enforcement training, like in anything you need.
00:27:16:03 - 00:27:26:04
Adam Kinakin
Please feel free to contact me directly. I'm happy to send those off to you. We have them all kind of queued up already, but, Yeah, man. Sorry to kind of skirt your question, but I think it's important to, to bring those topics up.
00:27:26:09 - 00:27:47:17
Wayne Mulder
Yeah. I don't think you skirted it at all. I mean, obviously it may not be a specific answer. However, I think you are absolutely right, because that's how we shift the paradigm. That's how we begin to change. You know, some of this thinking where what we've always done it this way and, you know, that can go on for decades and decades of, well, this is the way we've always done it.
00:27:47:17 - 00:28:05:16
Wayne Mulder
Well, that doesn't mean we've always been doing it right. So no, I love your answer. And I will also have all the ways for people to, contact you and connect with you in the show notes from here. I kind of want to segue into this whole so during your time as a training instructor and then obviously into what you do now, what are some of the issues you're seeing?
00:28:05:16 - 00:28:13:10
Wayne Mulder
So, you know, obviously part of what I let network does is it solves a problem. What's the problem that you saw.
00:28:13:12 - 00:28:36:14
Adam Kinakin
One size fits all. If I were to boil it down to one, one thing that is the bane of my existence, it's the one size fits all mentality when it comes to law enforcement training. Right now. And and like I said, I want to go back to the fact that I was never in law enforcement. That isn't my background.
00:28:36:14 - 00:29:05:04
Adam Kinakin
And so I come into this industry a little bit differently than most that are conducting a lot of law enforcement training. I come into it, obviously from the military perspective from and then from the educational side of things. And so when I came in, I tried to connect with as many people as I possibly could and not hyper focus on one thing, which is kind of the magic as to what led I'll it to be what it is now.
00:29:05:06 - 00:29:25:10
Adam Kinakin
When you know what's called the elite network. Network being the key term there. It is that it's a community. It's a network, it's a family. It's collaboratively coming together to say, hey, this is the best thing that we know that exists right now, or that we're aware of. Let's share that. And so to your question, what is the issue?
00:29:25:10 - 00:29:54:02
Adam Kinakin
It's it's one size fits all. It's the fact that there are, an agency. Well, and by no fault of their own, because right now across the United States, across Canada and around the world, obviously due to the last two years with the pandemic and now obviously rolling into what is going to be probably a, worldwide type of recession, there is no money, there's no, you know, there's no money for training.
00:29:54:06 - 00:30:27:18
Adam Kinakin
There's, we're short staffed pretty much across the board. In everything, you know? Jeez, I talked to the folks out at Colorado Department of Corrections. They're like, they're running at, like, 60%. You know what I mean? So it's like the they're it's difficult to to accomplish what we need to in training. And what's happening is we see solutions because companies will create a, a done for you one and done.
00:30:27:18 - 00:31:00:00
Adam Kinakin
Here's a piece of training content that you can use. And somebody in a small town in a different state will say, oh, well, you know, Kansas City is using this or, you know, Dallas is using this, or New York is using this. Therefore it's got to be vetted. It's got to be good. We'll just use it without any forethought into has this training been contextualized for our area, for our community, for our department, for our policies, for our procedures?
00:31:00:04 - 00:31:30:11
Adam Kinakin
Does it meet our case law within our state? Right. Does it there's there's so many considerations. But what happens is it gets punched out and says, you know, my favorite buzz line of the last two years is de-escalation, right? It's been, it's been the buzzword since George Floyd. Right. De-escalation training. I will tell you this right now, if I walked into any police agency in North America, and there's over 17,000 in the United States, we have under a thousand total up here in Canada.
00:31:30:13 - 00:31:33:15
Adam Kinakin
Which is hilarious because we have more land mass than you. Right?
00:31:33:15 - 00:31:34:11
Wayne Mulder
But yeah, that is.
00:31:34:11 - 00:31:49:12
Adam Kinakin
The I could walk into any police agency and say, show me what you're teaching for de-escalation. And I, I would bet that the 95% of them would be different.
00:31:49:14 - 00:31:50:08
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00:31:50:10 - 00:32:30:21
Adam Kinakin
It is, because it's so nuanced to the to the individual communities. Right. And whether that's break down through racial demographics or religious or, ethnicity language, there's there's so many different variances that we have to look at where, you know, if I took a, if I took, de-escalation training from, say, like Winnipeg police here, right. That training outside of some basic core concepts of what to do and what not to do is like hard guidelines.
00:32:30:23 - 00:32:57:01
Adam Kinakin
It is going to be completely different than if I take it down to just just down across the border to like Minot. Right? Like there's it's so different because the communities are different and the agencies are different. And, and I think that's my biggest pet peeve in this entire industry is this one size fits all. Let's let's just buy the training because they're using it over there and we'll just make it work for ourselves, right?
00:32:57:03 - 00:33:18:13
Adam Kinakin
Or even worse, even worse. I can understand when it's done under the auspices that somebody is going like, oh, I've done like the whoever has made the decision truly believes that it's going to assist and help. And they're like, this is the best that I can do. I do not fault those people at all whatsoever. They are doing the best with what they have available to them, right?
00:33:18:13 - 00:33:56:24
Adam Kinakin
What is more frustrating is when the decision is made pure off of financial, considerations, and it's handed to the training division and they say make it work. Yes. Right. That is very, very rarely ever successful. And so those are the things that with eyelet we're trying to combat. And by combat I mean opening up everyone's eyes to seeing that there is more than the three foot circle that you're used to operating in.
00:33:57:01 - 00:34:21:02
Adam Kinakin
Right? Right. It's other people are doing different things in different places. It may not be wholly applicable to what you're doing, but I bet you there's a piece of information or a, speck of knowledge somewhere that you can use to either bolster your abilities, right, to assist in what you're doing, or to help you change your thought process and do something differently to be more efficient or effective.
00:34:21:04 - 00:34:40:21
Adam Kinakin
And so, you know, a great example would be, the very first summit we ran in 2020. And we're coming into our third this year, this December, right away. And I ran, one of the sessions was with, Doctor Patrick Marsh. He's out of Australia. He works with, child sexual offenders. So he specializes in that realm.
00:34:40:21 - 00:35:04:11
Adam Kinakin
And, God bless that man. Because what he does, he sits in and interviews and runs groups with these child sexual predators. That's what he's done. And, he has gained so much information from that. But I told them, like, the first time I talked to him, I said, well, I couldn't do your job because I'd end up with a set up with a cell of my own within about five minutes.
00:35:04:17 - 00:35:34:13
Adam Kinakin
Right. But he created this whole story methodology. It's an interview methodology specifically designed for the mind of child sexual predators. Right. It also allows you it also works for child, sexual assault victims, which is very interesting. And so, obviously this this man is very, very smart. And he came up with the system, but it is so nuanced to a very select subset of what we do.
00:35:34:13 - 00:35:55:23
Adam Kinakin
Right. And so we put it on. And the thing and I remember distinctly getting an email from a detective in New York, and I won't say who it was or whatever, but it was essentially to I'll try to I'll try to abbreviate what he wrote. He basically said, I've been a detective for 25, 30 years, whatever it was.
00:35:56:00 - 00:36:12:09
Adam Kinakin
The fact that you think you could put training on online and tell me how to do my job is laughable. Blah blah, blah, blah, blah. This is not how we do things here. Da da da da da. You shouldn't be showing this to any officers in America. Da da da da da. And I go, you miss the point, right?
00:36:12:13 - 00:36:37:03
Adam Kinakin
Like you missed the point. The point wasn't for me to say, take your 30 years of experience, uproot it, throw it in the trash and adopt this other methodology. Like, that's not what we were saying, right? What we were saying was, here is something that works that's been proven scientifically backed, that it's happening somewhere else in the world that you may not even be aware of.
00:36:37:03 - 00:37:07:06
Adam Kinakin
And so maybe, maybe you work, a special unit, maybe you work major crimes, maybe you do something and you end up in an investigation with a child predator, and you end up hitting a brick wall, and you don't know which way to go. Maybe, just maybe, you could implement some of the pieces from what they've developed in Australia, right, to get you over that hump to break the case.
00:37:07:08 - 00:37:30:00
Adam Kinakin
Yeah, that is what that was for. And so it's funny to me that we still have this mindset that don't you can't tell me how to do my job. I know what I'm doing and I don't, I don't I'm not here to tell you, you don't know your job or don't know what you're doing. What I'm here to tell you is that you are limited to your, not your own knowledge and experience.
00:37:30:02 - 00:37:48:22
Adam Kinakin
Yeah, you're limited to what you have been exposed to in your life. And if you haven't had exposure to other areas of thought, like, we can't fault you for not having that, it's not your fault. But what we want to do is give people the opportunity to dive into that, and maybe it will help them in one way or the other.
00:37:48:23 - 00:38:00:19
Adam Kinakin
And so that was kind of the concept of the, the summit, as it first began. It's obviously evolved since then, but that was a great example to, to illustrate the point of the why one size fits all doesn't work.
00:38:00:21 - 00:38:24:09
Wayne Mulder
Yeah. No, I think that's powerful. And there's so many things to comment on there. So starting in the ending, though, that's the whole problem we have right now, society in society especially. And I'm sure it's similar in Canada, but down here in America is this whole echo chamber thinking, right. So you don't think outside kind of like your set your example there where here's this guy in New York that's like, well, this is my world.
00:38:24:09 - 00:38:40:14
Wayne Mulder
This is all the training I've received. And this is the only way to do it. And you do essentially create an echo chamber of sorts. You know, it's that's it becomes self-fulfilling. It's the only thing, you know, and you never actually reach outside there to understand. Well, there's something else out there. And maybe it's not 100% something we would adopt.
00:38:40:14 - 00:38:50:23
Wayne Mulder
But if we adopt this a little bit here in this a little bit here, it's going to make us stronger. And that's not only an issue in the training environment, it's an issue in the societal environment as well, at least in my opinion.
00:38:51:00 - 00:39:16:05
Adam Kinakin
Yeah. There's and in the training space, there's another analogy, that I can use. And this was that I didn't come up with this, this was another instructor. And, his name slipping from me right now. I interviewed him at Elita earlier this year, and this is what he told me. He said, imagine we have a training course and it is like as we know it today.
00:39:16:07 - 00:39:39:22
Adam Kinakin
It is the best that we can design. Okay. And it's a square. So the training course is a nice big square, nice sharp corners. And it is the best of what we have. So we go corner to corridor top to bottom, and we cover absolutely everything that we can do. The learner gets every piece of information that is contextualized to what they need to do the job right.
00:39:39:24 - 00:40:00:10
Adam Kinakin
What happens in our training space right now, and I like to call it the inbred training model, is I have I have instructors who train instructors, and then those instructors train their instructors and their instructors train their instructors and their instructors are their instructors. And you end up with this cycle where at no point do you ever go outside of this little bubble.
00:40:00:12 - 00:40:26:14
Adam Kinakin
Yeah. To to rebuild and refocus exactly what it is that you're doing at your instructor development level. So to go back to the analogy of the square, the square starts as a square. But then when that course as a square is taught to the next instructor, what is inevitable to happen is those corners get rounded just a little bit, right, just a little bit.
00:40:26:16 - 00:41:01:17
Adam Kinakin
And then when it gets taught to the next person, it gets rounded just a little bit more, because those little nuanced things that are so specific usually are the first things to get dropped. And so all of the nuance, all of the contextualization, which is the critical component for implementation, is dropped. And so over a period of time, as this course is taught and, and and you go through the instructor phase, student phase, instructor phase, student phase, it goes from a square and over time it ends up being a frickin circle because everything gets whittled away.
00:41:01:20 - 00:41:04:12
Adam Kinakin
So it's not even the same thing that you started with.
00:41:04:14 - 00:41:05:00
Speaker 3
Right?
00:41:05:00 - 00:41:16:23
Adam Kinakin
And I was like, that is such a phenomenal visual to explain to people why we cannot do things the way we've been doing them. And so anyway, that's, that's the first that jumped in my head when you said that.
00:41:17:00 - 00:41:36:13
Wayne Mulder
Yeah, that is a great analogy. That is an absolutely powerful analogy. And you are right. And it's not just training, but so many of these things, our entire model is very incestuous. We don't leave this, small group and one teaches the other. But let me, devil's advocate, just for a moment, I want to push back just a little bit and ask.
00:41:36:15 - 00:41:47:18
Wayne Mulder
So you've got so many agencies and using the US as an example because it's very compartmentalized, which I personally think is a good thing, because that's, America is a different model, but the US is a different model, a.
00:41:47:18 - 00:41:52:02
Adam Kinakin
Constitutional republic, in fact, which the majority of your citizens don't even understand.
00:41:52:02 - 00:42:13:09
Wayne Mulder
But thank you very much. Yes. In fact, yes. I couldn't said it better myself. So since we are a constitutional republic, the separation is extremely important. But that being said, that does create issues when we talk, you know, like when we talk about law, especially in the law enforcement world, because you've got when you say law enforcement agency, you could be talking Dallas, Texas, you could be talking.
00:42:13:09 - 00:42:34:12
Wayne Mulder
And I just interviewed a guy yesterday with 20 years at NYPD and his experience there versus some guy and, no, where Wyoming is completely different, the resources are different, the people are different, the training is different, etc.. So going to those smaller agencies and maybe not as small as, small town in Wyoming, but let's say a midsize agency in the US.
00:42:34:14 - 00:43:01:00
Wayne Mulder
One of the kickbacks to this. Okay. We agree with you, Adam. We want to step away from this one size fits all. But besides exposure to different training that's out there from an international perspective, how then can that small training department where because they're going to kick back and say, well, we don't have the funding for this, how can they then zero that in to where it's specific to not only their state regulations and so forth, but even their community?
00:43:01:00 - 00:43:16:05
Wayne Mulder
You know, depending on what circuit court they're in, like it can be varying. It needs to be so nuanced, down to that exact area where they serve. How do you how do they do that when they're going to say, well, I still have the same budget problems, regardless of the fact that you can expose me to something out of Australia.
00:43:16:05 - 00:43:18:06
Wayne Mulder
What would be your response to that?
00:43:18:08 - 00:43:44:21
Adam Kinakin
Yeah, well that's it. That's a great that's a great question. And that's, you know, and phenomenal observation because you're right on the money. Right? There's, there is. When we talk in hypotheticals, right. Hypothetically, you know, it'd be great if we could do X, Y, or Z, right? That's that's how I work. My brain is always like, well, we're just going to change the world, so screw everybody else.
00:43:44:21 - 00:43:50:07
Adam Kinakin
Like, that's it's for me, it's very simple, right? Because I'm just like, screw. I'm just going to do it until it works.
00:43:50:09 - 00:43:50:19
Wayne Mulder
I like it.
00:43:51:00 - 00:44:21:16
Adam Kinakin
But there are the realities that we run into, right? We run into those brick walls. Right. And it happens very, very regularly. And, the what I would say is this. Google exists. Okay. And when I, when I say that, I say it to mean 20 years ago, if somebody said, yeah, well, we don't know how we can do this.
00:44:21:18 - 00:44:40:22
Adam Kinakin
I don't have the resources, I don't have the connections, I don't have whatever I'd be like, okay, make sense? If somebody says to me right now, I don't know how to get this, I'm like, bullshit, right? Okay, I'm sorry, but if you're sitting somewhere right now and you're like, well, we just don't have access to that. No, that is just false.
00:44:40:24 - 00:45:05:06
Adam Kinakin
You do have access. You're just lazy. And that's. I know that sounds of very abrupt and harsh, but what I, what I want to get out of that and and I'll dive into it here is when there are very there are specifics that we need to understand right. Let's identify though, who is the holder of that information and knowledge.
00:45:05:08 - 00:45:33:16
Adam Kinakin
Right. So is it my local DEA is that, you know, is does DOJ have representatives that are agency adjacent or liaisons within our within our department, within our county, within our state, whatever it is? Because I guarantee you, if you have to break something down to a, to the the minutia of a legal argument specifically for liability or litigation purposes, you're going to have people that are available to you.
00:45:33:18 - 00:46:15:01
Adam Kinakin
You just have to go out and and ask for the help. Right? A big problem in our industry is we don't ask for help because while we're all type A right for the most part. So asking for help is usually very, very, very difficult for some people. The other thing is, in my opinion, and this is just my opinion, the fastest way to effect noticeable and meaningful change in this industry as a whole, so that we can better serve our communities and keep our officers safe, is raising the quality of instructors.
00:46:15:03 - 00:46:48:13
Adam Kinakin
There's nobody else right now inside of a department that has more influence over officers in that department than the instructor college, right. Starting at Academy FTO and then working through in-service, those instructors are the linchpin to our ability to do this job correctly and safely. And that is. It doesn't cost a lot. And here's the interesting thing. And what we're doing with elite right now.
00:46:48:15 - 00:47:13:24
Adam Kinakin
And I don't I don't want to talk shop too much about the company because I want to talk training with you. But one of the things we've implemented because of this is we have an entire research and innovation working group, which is going to be evaluating training, efficacy so that we can actually determine from a scientifically backed perspective, from an evidence based perspective.
00:47:14:01 - 00:47:47:23
Adam Kinakin
And we can show just not through correlation, but through hard numbers, that by training instructors to a certain degree and to a certain level, you show a noticeable change in effectiveness in the officer, which shows a reduction in liability through the use of force incidents and other things which end up at the end of the day. If we reduce the liability for the department, it increases cost savings at the end of the year through civil litigation.
00:47:48:00 - 00:48:09:18
Adam Kinakin
Yeah, right. And so if I can if I can show that to an administrator who doesn't give a shit, she doesn't care if Wayne has X amount of years on the job, and he's literally the best person in his entire state to talk about his subject matter. And he goes to his chief and he says, chief, we need to do this.
00:48:09:18 - 00:48:56:03
Adam Kinakin
And here's why X, Y, and Z. I know this like to my core they go, cool, passes up to whoever counts the beans, and they go, I don't care who Wayne is, I don't care what his experience is. That doesn't affect my job any, because that it's the context isn't aligning with their understanding. And so what we want to do is we want to play the 40 chess game, shift the narrative, take the foundational theory, apply it to something that those people understand, the administrators understand at their level, whether it's dollars and cents or spreadsheets or whatever they want, and showcase it to them in a way so they agree with the theory, right?
00:48:56:03 - 00:49:25:12
Adam Kinakin
And then we contextualize the theory and show them implementation strategy through training, and then they go, oh, I get it. If I spend an extra $50,000 this year training our instructors, our instructors end up getting a 30%, increase in effectiveness of our officers, which reduces our liability by X amount of dollars. And that $50,000 we just spent this year is going to save us $5 million within 24 months.
00:49:25:14 - 00:49:26:19
Speaker 3
Right? Cool.
00:49:27:00 - 00:49:56:01
Adam Kinakin
When do we start? Right. But we get so sucked into our own little minds of, well, why don't you listen to me? I know what I'm talking about, right? I'm telling you, this is how we have to do it. And we, for some reason, we just we don't want to do the workaround, right? We don't want to do that flanking maneuver that you have to walk an extra ten clicks around to get it when you're like, well, I could just go straight at these people and just like, just keep keep hammering them and see if it breaks right.
00:49:56:01 - 00:50:22:21
Adam Kinakin
And so that is one of those things from a training perspective that I think is so hypercritical. And for those small agencies we work with. Ospedali Ohio, small, Ohio, small police department association, they have 750 or more agencies in Ohio of 25 officers or less. Wow. Right. And so those are exactly who we're talking about.
00:50:22:23 - 00:50:44:03
Adam Kinakin
It's you have the agency. Maybe it's a it's a it's, a team of six, and your chief is also your K-9 guy who also does all your major investigations, who also does traffic like you have, and then you have your trainer who's like, you know, all of the hats that those those folks wear because that's just the reality of what they're doing.
00:50:44:08 - 00:50:46:05
Speaker 3
Yep. Do they have.
00:50:46:05 - 00:51:08:09
Adam Kinakin
Time to go and do these massive instructor courses and to to built? No. Like let's be realistic. No we don't. So again time and money right. Do we have the time and money to replace this person. Do we have or do we have the ability to even replace this person? Can we pull them out for a certain period of time?
00:51:08:11 - 00:51:26:10
Adam Kinakin
Can we do that? Can we backfill them? Can we pay them to do that? All of these things that we have to consider. So if the answer is no, no, no, no, no, no, does that mean we just throw in the towel and say, well, yes, screw it, we're done. Like we'll just have to continue on status quo and hope bad shit doesn't happen, right?
00:51:26:10 - 00:51:46:08
Adam Kinakin
I think that's a really bad game plan. I don't know about you. And so what we want to try to push in this industry. And it's not just me. If you look at our partners list, it is growing exponentially by the day. And it's funny because in the training space, I like to think of, the law enforcement training space, like high school.
00:51:46:14 - 00:52:05:01
Adam Kinakin
It's very clicky. It's like, like it's like you there's there's so much high school drama in this space. It's really hilarious. What we have, as a rule is highlight is there's no drama. You either come in here and you agree to work with everybody else or kick rocks. Good luck on your own.
00:52:05:03 - 00:52:05:18
Speaker 3
Right.
00:52:05:20 - 00:52:41:20
Adam Kinakin
That's it. It's it's you either coming here because you want to share your knowledge or you don't. And it's and it's very telling who wants to share their knowledge and who doesn't want to share their knowledge. And one one piece that I, I will bring up here. And it's something that I've come to realize in this industry over the last five years, the people that are the most willing to share their knowledge and experience are the people that are the most competent, the people that are leading the charge, that are doing the research, that are contextualizing the research, that are putting all of the pieces together at the tip of the spear.
00:52:41:22 - 00:53:05:24
Adam Kinakin
As a as an analogy in that specific niche. And so they're the ones that are like, I just found this out, I want to share it with everybody. Right, right. And they'll they'll come on podcasts and they'll put training out on YouTube for free, and they'll share it with as many people as they can, because there's people in this industry right now that are training just to train because they want to get money, right.
00:53:06:00 - 00:53:33:07
Adam Kinakin
Which is fine. I get that man, and everybody's got to eat. You know, the I have no problem with that capitalism 100%, I don't care. It's all good. But the people that are the best at what they do are usually, usually, usually not everyone are usually the ones that are open to sharing their knowledge and information. And so with I let what we've done is we've tried to find those people and we're still searching, searching for more and more every day.
00:53:33:09 - 00:53:58:08
Adam Kinakin
And we wanted to create a platform. We wanted to create a communications, net that allows those small agencies to have access to those experts. So as a trainer, you may not be able to go to a 40 hour methods of instruction course through for science that Chris Butler just developed, which is probably the best instructor training course that exists on the planet today.
00:53:58:10 - 00:54:20:16
Adam Kinakin
You may not have the ability to do that, but you know what we can do. Why don't if you have a if you have a question, you're building out a course, you're you're getting stuck with a, a learner, a student. You need to try to find a way. You just got tasked with doing some new type of training, and you've never done it before because you're the only instructor at your small agency.
00:54:20:20 - 00:54:37:06
Adam Kinakin
And now the state has come down with a mandate saying, you have to train this and you go, I don't even know what that is. And instead of just taking the PowerPoint that was delivered to you because the state says, hey, here, use this and you go, okay, and you everybody sits down and you go click, click, click, click click.
00:54:37:11 - 00:55:05:08
Adam Kinakin
Everybody good. Yep. So we check the box on the road. That was a waste of an hour right. There was there was no point in even doing that. You might as well just for everyone signatures on that on that training piece and just moved on because that's, that was the effectiveness of it. Right. So instead of that, what if we found a way for that instructor to just be able to come onto a platform and just say, hey, this just happened.
00:55:05:08 - 00:55:23:07
Adam Kinakin
Does anybody have any suggestions or can anybody assist me in doing this? And I'll tell you this right now, the majority of my day, day to day is connecting people. And so an instructor will reach out to me and say, hey, Adam, do you know anybody in this space who has done X, Y, or Z? And I go, I'm not sure.
00:55:23:07 - 00:55:37:20
Adam Kinakin
Let me look and I'll go and I'll check out the connections that I have and I'll say, oh, you know what? I'm not sure, but I'm gonna reach out to this person because I bet you they will know. And then they will say, oh yeah, this person is the the person you want. For that, I go, great. I talk to them.
00:55:38:00 - 00:56:04:18
Adam Kinakin
I connect them with the person who initially asked the question. Now they're connected and now the instructor that needs the information. Now gets it from the person who's best qualified to help them on that topic. And to this day, I have never found within our network somebody who is not willing to jump on a call to share a training document, to walk somebody through building out a training package for their officers.
00:56:04:20 - 00:56:05:13
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00:56:05:15 - 00:56:23:11
Adam Kinakin
Trainers want to train. We're here to help people. Otherwise we wouldn't be doing what we're doing. It's not like. It's not like we get a lot of you get extra money, right? Like it's it's about doing the right things for the right reasons. And that's what this industry is. And so how do these small agencies get access to this training?
00:56:23:13 - 00:56:36:10
Adam Kinakin
One, you have to know where to look and you have to be willing to ask. That's it. Yeah. That's it. It's as simple as that. I made the joke earlier about Google. Like your first step is Google. Did it add it up?
00:56:36:12 - 00:56:39:04
Speaker 3
How do I do this right. Yep.
00:56:39:06 - 00:57:02:06
Adam Kinakin
Now from our perspective in our industry, a little bit more nuanced obviously, because if you're like, hey, I need to figure out how to set up comms for this UCP. That's not going to be on Google, right? We know that. But what I want I like to become is a resource hub for things like that. So you're an officer, you're a trainer, you're like, I need help with X, Y or Z.
00:57:02:08 - 00:57:19:14
Adam Kinakin
You come to us and all you say, and it's not me, it's not me or I let it's the community, it's the network. And you go in there and you say, I have a question X, Y or Z and you're going to have half dozen, a dozen of the top experts in the world in that subject matter. They're to basically help you out with whatever you need.
00:57:19:16 - 00:57:40:12
Adam Kinakin
And it's not just US based, because there's other things from other countries, other places, other, you know, regionally, nationally, internationally. There's so much information out there that we need to be able to share. And that's kind of at the core of what we're doing. And the reason we're doing that is for the very specific question that you asked, which was, how does this work for small people, the agencies that just don't have resources?
00:57:40:14 - 00:57:43:24
Adam Kinakin
It's designed for small agencies that don't have resources.
00:57:44:01 - 00:58:00:08
Wayne Mulder
Yeah, that's great. And that's what I love about what you're doing. From the first time we spoke, was so happy to have you on because I think what you're doing is going to really make a difference globally. A couple things. I don't know if we ever mentioned it, but just so the listeners know, I let stands for International Law Enforcement training.
00:58:00:08 - 00:58:06:03
Wayne Mulder
So just so they know what that acronym is, since we keep saying I lot, but just so they are acronyms.
00:58:06:08 - 00:58:07:13
Adam Kinakin
It's our favorite thing.
00:58:07:17 - 00:58:28:20
Wayne Mulder
It is military and law enforcement alike. We have to use acronyms. Just a quick curiosity question. And then I want to dig a little deeper. I know we're getting short on time, but I want to dig a little deeper into Iowa. And, a couple things you got going on. When you talk about that research and innovation training group, I love that that you're going to looks, heavily at causation rather than just simply correlation.
00:58:28:22 - 00:58:50:05
Wayne Mulder
Digging into, kind of the empirical information that supports a decision. May I ask how so how are you going to derive this empirical information and not looking for how the sausage is made here? More just and like, how are you going to get that empirical data? Are we talking.
00:58:50:07 - 00:59:17:16
Adam Kinakin
So phenomenal question. Let me and I will I will I have a very simple answer okay. When I sent the email out to our initial invitees to this group. Okay. And these are, these are folks from Canada, U.S, the United Kingdom and Australia. And I go in there and I invited everybody. And after I listed all of the names of the people that are involved, so everybody knows who's who.
00:59:17:18 - 00:59:19:04
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00:59:19:06 - 00:59:43:11
Adam Kinakin
I put it in a little brackets. I said, I have decided not to include anybody's, doctorates in this since I don't have one. And I'll be in the back of the room chewing my crayons. So essentially what I, what I set the this this research working group, research innovation working group are some of the top researchers in this field in the entire world.
00:59:43:13 - 01:00:15:16
Adam Kinakin
Okay. So they are the best of the best of the best. And there are lead scholars for so for folks in the United States, you'll understand the new leads program. We have, you know, Doctor Chris Cushing at Loughborough University in the United Kingdom, who rewrote the entire training program for the UK and Metropolitan Police services. And they're going through a research project implementation, through instructor into now application, of the training from instructor training to instructor to student.
01:00:15:18 - 01:00:37:00
Adam Kinakin
So they're doing those research studies right now. On the efficacy of those training methodologies. We have, the like the team access to the entire team at for science here in the United States, who is, very adept at conducting research specific to contextualizing data and science into how does this work for at law enforcement? Boots on the ground.
01:00:37:02 - 01:01:09:01
Adam Kinakin
We have, the team of, Simon and Craig out of, Carleton University up here in Canada, along with Doctor Peter Shipley, who ran the, who is a training and curriculum director for the Canadian Police College. Okay. We have so many folks, and that's just a small list, but those are the ones that just popping off of my head of extremely competent and qualified individuals that do and know research that have the ability to contextualize it to law enforcement and, and allow us to understand those research parameters.
01:01:09:03 - 01:01:49:11
Adam Kinakin
If I were to sit here and pretend like I knew anything about how to conduct research, I would be blowing so much smoke. It would be you wouldn't be able to see me right now. And so I to ask your question, I don't have the answer to your question. All I know. Here is what I lead is I let is Adam having an idea of, hey, this is my grandiose 10,000ft view of what would be really cool if we could accomplish it, and going back to something core that I learned when I was a very, early on in my military career as, when I first got my first platoon commander, my, my
01:01:49:11 - 01:02:02:02
Adam Kinakin
CEO sat me down and he said, it's not your job to know everything. It's your job to figure out who knows what they need to and put them in the right spot so they can do their jobs.
01:02:02:04 - 01:02:03:13
Speaker 3
Yep.
01:02:03:15 - 01:02:21:09
Adam Kinakin
Right. That is what I let has become. It's I know what I'm not good at. And that is a majority of things. You want me to go, hey, listen, you want to go down into the mats and, and you want me to show you how to choke somebody out 20 different ways. I'm your dude. Love it every day.
01:02:21:13 - 01:02:30:09
Adam Kinakin
Let's make it happen. You want me to explain research concepts and how to implement research into a FTO training program?
01:02:30:11 - 01:02:33:07
Speaker 3
Nope. Not your guy.
01:02:33:09 - 01:02:50:13
Adam Kinakin
Not not gonna help you. But what we can do is let me show you the people that do know how to do that, that are doing it at the highest levels. That's what these groups are. It is a working group of experts outside of me, outside of. I let we just facilitate it and then we let them do what they want.
01:02:50:13 - 01:03:15:22
Adam Kinakin
And the cool thing about it is, like I said, these groups, these people that are in these groups on their day to day, are have such a variety of experiences. They work for federal agencies, state agencies, municipal agencies. They're military. They're they're retired. They run their own training companies. If they run the training companies, a lot of them are in direct competition with one another in the real world.
01:03:15:24 - 01:03:39:01
Adam Kinakin
Right. Everybody works with us to help establish a baseline so that as an industry, we're doing things the right way. And that's kind of the cool thing behind it. So it isn't it isn't an Adam show. I can't answer some of these really in-depth questions. I wish I could, I'm just not smart enough. I am just smart enough to know that I don't know.
01:03:39:03 - 01:03:41:16
Adam Kinakin
And I put the right people in the right spots.
01:03:41:18 - 01:03:58:17
Wayne Mulder
Which truly is the beginning of wisdom. So that's that is exactly the thing, right? And this is true in the business world, which is what I did prior to law enforcement. It's exactly like you said. I didn't need to know how to do everything, not, the specific case of it in the minutia of it, because I brought together the people that didn't know how to do it.
01:03:58:17 - 01:04:21:16
Wayne Mulder
What I needed to do is know where to find those people and how to, you know, improve the environment with which we all work. So, no, I think it's extremely powerful. And I think the, listeners are going to love it as well. You keep mentioning community. Obviously it is a network, but I also see that you are currently building an actual community on, islet and you are still looking for founding members.
01:04:21:16 - 01:04:25:22
Wayne Mulder
Can you tell listeners a little bit about that and what that is going to look like?
01:04:25:24 - 01:04:45:21
Adam Kinakin
Sure. Yeah, absolutely. I appreciate you bringing it up. So I let has evolved since just running a summit and 2020. We've run conferences and summits for other companies and associations. We've done lots of different things, and we've decided to roll out a community platform. We had all of these ideas are great. We had to find a way to facilitate it.
01:04:45:21 - 01:05:07:24
Adam Kinakin
And so the easiest way to do that, I thought utilizing the technology that exists is why not create an online community platform where officers can log in, they can identify what topics they're interested in, right? I'm a use of force guy. I'm a firearms guy. I do vehicle introductions, I like I want fitness and health information, whatever it is.
01:05:08:01 - 01:05:30:23
Adam Kinakin
Yeah. And they come into the community and now they can just interact with peers and experts in those subject matters. They can access everything else. But if they're interested in one specific topic, they can deep dive into that one specific topic. So it's kind of, the framework of it right now looks similar to a platform like you'd see with a Facebook or with a LinkedIn.
01:05:31:00 - 01:05:56:05
Adam Kinakin
It is a it's a community platform. It's designed it's not a learning platform. It is a community platform. It's designed for engagement and and connectivity. Attached to that is the training component, which is the the master LCMs component to the platform, which is going to host all of the stuff, like for the summit and other training courses and things that we're developing.
01:05:56:07 - 01:06:11:15
Adam Kinakin
Those are going to be linked in there. It's going to be easy to jump one to the other. It's all connected. But that is where you will see, like, here's an hour block of training here. So you may see in the community side you may see use of force and then will say, here's the training that we have applicable to this.
01:06:11:17 - 01:06:31:24
Adam Kinakin
Here's the instructors in the in the network that are identified as use of force experts. Here are the companies that we're partnered with in the world that are identified as use of force. You you'll be able to search, for example, in your state, use of force instructors in my state, and it'll basically populate a list for you.
01:06:32:01 - 01:06:59:23
Adam Kinakin
So you you know exactly who you have to reach out to if you need to connect with somebody. That's what the community platform is built for. Founding members is a group. This was something that came about because, again, I don't know everything. And in my mind, more heads are better than one. And so I said, why would I create a community platform based off of my own perception of what the industry needs?
01:07:00:00 - 01:07:13:01
Adam Kinakin
That doesn't make any sense. Again, I wasn't a police officer, so maybe I'm coming at this one way thinking, hey, I this would be great. And everybody else is like, that's jacked up. Like.
01:07:13:03 - 01:07:14:24
Speaker 3
What are you thinking? Right?
01:07:14:24 - 01:07:39:19
Adam Kinakin
And so it didn't make sense to build a platform that was just based off of one person's or a core group of people's ideas. And so the founding members group is a group of 200 people internationally that have the same mission and values that we do here at elite, which is training comes first. We do the right things for the right reasons.
01:07:39:21 - 01:07:59:01
Adam Kinakin
It's not about money. It's it's about making sure that our officers can, when they show up to a call, are the best equipped, best trained, most capable to do that job. So not only can they protect the communities, but so they can go home to their family. Yeah, if you agree with that, that's our starting point, right?
01:07:59:03 - 01:08:00:07
Wayne Mulder
Yeah.
01:08:00:09 - 01:08:23:04
Adam Kinakin
Then the group has basically become a sounding board. These are the people that every we we call we have two calls every week. It's and it's not mandatory. You can jump in and out whenever you want, but you have access to all of the other founding members that are on there. And we have conversations. And just last week we brought up the thing we talked about what groups do we want inside of the community to start with?
01:08:23:04 - 01:08:55:05
Adam Kinakin
What what topics do we want? What part of which founding members want to be moderators and and lead those conversations in those groups? And all of the things like that. We have conversations about training. We have conversations about, current events. We have conversations about everything. But the idea is a continuous, open network of communication. And all of these ideas help us shape and build what islet is now and will be five, ten, 20 years down the road so that it is truly a community built platform.
01:08:55:05 - 01:09:16:12
Adam Kinakin
It's not an AI platform, it is a it's a it's a global platform. And so we have about 100 members, and right now we've capped at at 200. So once we hit 200, we're not doing any more. The network itself will have 100, potentially 100,000 officers on it within a couple of years. But the founding members group will never change.
01:09:16:14 - 01:09:36:05
Adam Kinakin
You're in it. You're in it for life. And the way we do that is we said, hey, listen, I want you to do a small investment upfront. It's not a lot. It's 500 bucks. The idea is, I just want you to have some skin in the game so that you're invested in being a part of this long term.
01:09:36:07 - 01:09:54:03
Adam Kinakin
Yeah, it's. It isn't a short term game. And I told every founding member this it's not a short term game. I'm not asking for something now. And I'm giving you an immediate return. That's not what this is. I want you to be bought in to helping us change the face of public safety training around the world, and that is what the founding members group is.
01:09:54:03 - 01:10:18:15
Adam Kinakin
It's for people that want to be involved with the at the top level, trying to build this out. And you you have a piece of what we're doing here. You get to own a piece of that. And so that's the founding members group. It's not for everybody. And I say that very openly, like, it really is not for everybody, but we have current and former law enforcement, instructors, not instructors.
01:10:18:15 - 01:10:55:18
Adam Kinakin
We have current former military, we have doctors, we have researchers, we have academics, we have firefighters, we have, private security and close protection folks. We have everybody you could think of in here. It's not just for cops. That's not what this is. Again, going back to our entire conversation today, it's about getting outside of our bubble. And so by having all of this mix internationally of of experiences, it allows us to really grow a platform that is community based and does touch on all of the things we need to touch on, so we don't get sucked into that echo chamber that we were speaking of earlier.
01:10:55:18 - 01:11:03:22
Adam Kinakin
So that's what the founding members group is. If you're interested, reach out to me. Or we can put a link or something in there, but, but that's what the founding members group is.
01:11:03:24 - 01:11:18:22
Wayne Mulder
Yeah. Thank you very much, and I will. I'm going to have links to that. I'm gonna have links to all this, because you've got so many good things going on. You mentioned I just want to briefly bring up for the listener again, you mentioned the Tactical Breakdown podcast. Phenomenal. I've listened to a couple of the episodes, the guys you just had on with Rick Locke.
01:11:18:24 - 01:11:39:06
Wayne Mulder
Definitely. All the listeners need to go listen to that episode and subscribe to that podcast. Let me jump to one more thing, and I got two short final questions for you. I know we're getting really short on time here, but I do. I appreciate this, Adam. What I want to talk about real quick now, depending on when this episode comes out, you, the listeners, the summit may have already taken place.
01:11:39:06 - 01:11:53:08
Wayne Mulder
However, you will hear this twice in that case, because I'm actually going to cut this out and put it out over social media prior to the summit. So if you want my Adam, talk a little bit about the summit that's coming up in December and what the listeners can expect.
01:11:53:10 - 01:12:06:24
Adam Kinakin
Okay, great. Well, yeah, I appreciate that. So the third annual International Law Enforcement Training Summit, it's going to be coming up this year, December 5th through ninth. You can get access to it. That's one second, dude. Sorry.
01:12:07:03 - 01:12:25:14
Speaker 3
Yeah. No problem.
01:12:25:16 - 01:12:30:06
Adam Kinakin
Share. Right when they jump in. Hey. The stuff. Oh, wow. Okay. Sorry about that, dude.
01:12:30:08 - 01:12:31:03
Wayne Mulder
No, it's all good.
01:12:31:03 - 01:12:33:02
Adam Kinakin
That's an. That's okay. It's a good spot. It's an easy.
01:12:33:02 - 01:12:37:20
Speaker 3
Cut. Yep. All right.
01:12:37:22 - 01:12:38:10
Adam Kinakin
Where was I?
01:12:38:10 - 01:12:39:23
Wayne Mulder
Summit. So when you're ready. The summit? Yep.
01:12:40:00 - 01:13:01:12
Adam Kinakin
That's all good. It's all good. Yeah, man, I really appreciate you asking that. So the International Law Enforcement Training summit, it's going to be the third one we've run. It's going to be December 5th through ninth, 2022. You can access it. You can get your free ticket at, I let summit Xcom elite summit.com. It's free.
01:13:01:17 - 01:13:19:04
Adam Kinakin
It is free. We've had that since the very beginning. The idea is open access. So you can come in for the entire week. It's free to attend, you can watch the training sessions. And in fact, this year, what we're doing because of the community platform, we're actually opening up a trial, access to the community platform at the same time.
01:13:19:04 - 01:13:39:15
Adam Kinakin
So you're going to get to see the community. You're going to get to see the summit content. Right now we have, over 30 sessions. There's 31 hour sessions. Those are going to be broken down day by day. We have multiple tracks. And also we're doing a live roundtable each and every day. So, they'll be at noon till two central time.
01:13:39:15 - 01:13:59:11
Adam Kinakin
We're going to be running a live panel discussion on certain topics. So. Perfect. For example, the first one is going to be, active threat prevention. So, prevention versus response and that obviously we're going to talk about active shooter. We're gonna talk about evolve. We're gonna talk about a lot of different things around that. We have mental health.
01:13:59:11 - 01:14:19:08
Adam Kinakin
We have use of force. And in fact, you brought up Lock and Jason, we're going to be showcasing some of that documentary, and we're going to be talking about it and having those experts on there, guys like Tony Bower and Jared Mahogany and, Ray Bashir's. We're then going to be talking about the training in law enforcement and what that looks like.
01:14:19:10 - 01:14:40:14
Adam Kinakin
And then we're also going to talk about current events and what's happening. And we actually have, some key level experts. I just confirmed today that the chief superintendent for the Finnish National Police, will be presenting a keynote and even joining us to discuss what's happening in Europe right now, what's happening with Ukraine. And another interesting point, and this is a little bit aside from the summit.
01:14:40:16 - 01:14:58:05
Adam Kinakin
And, I would just encourage everybody to go to the website. You can see who our speakers are. If you've never seen it before, you may be taken aback by the names, and the people that are supporting what we do. But that's just a testament to the amazing folks in this industry that are just willing to give their time and energy for something like this.
01:14:58:07 - 01:15:20:16
Adam Kinakin
But, we're going to be announcing next week. And I know depending on the podcast comes out, we are starting a project in Ukraine. We've been connected to and are working with the regional police force in Ukraine, and Eilat is going to be providing free training to the Ukrainian National Police force. Because those officers right now are getting hit hard.
01:15:20:18 - 01:15:39:00
Adam Kinakin
And there is zero training for them. They're training. All got stopped. All of their equipment was ganked from them and given to the military. And it's funny, a lot of folks right now think that, with all the money going to Ukraine, they're like, well, why don't they just pay you guys for training? That's not how it works.
01:15:39:02 - 01:16:06:13
Adam Kinakin
And I don't want to get into geopolitical conversations, but if the money's going to Ukraine, it's going one of three places, it's going to pockets, it's going to humanitarian aid, or it's going to the, to the government military. Right. And it doesn't go to first responders. And they were getting nothing and they have nothing. And so we need to help those officers, because I don't know if your listeners have ever gone out, started their day on patrol, and then two hours later, get tossed out on a combat patrol because there's military forces in there as well.
01:16:06:15 - 01:16:41:02
Adam Kinakin
And now they're doing urban operations with a Glock 17, no rifle, no plates, no nothing, and engaging with trained military forces because that's what's happening right now. Yeah. And so our goal is to take some of the best experts in the world, whether they're U.S special forces, Canadian Special forces, you know, Swat doesn't matter. We're putting everybody together and we're creating some training for them, translating, transcribing into Ukrainian and sending it off to them to give them some basics of here's how, combat medic tactical medicine works, here's how urban operations works, here's how to not get killed.
01:16:41:04 - 01:17:02:17
Adam Kinakin
And here are some best practices that we know that are universal, right? It's not secret squirrel stuff. It's nothing that you couldn't get by pulling up, you know, you know, GBS on YouTube, right? Like, it's it's stuff that exists. We're just going to contextualize it specifically for the officers in Ukraine. And that's going to be a project that we're going to be launching and talking about at the summit this year as well.
01:17:02:17 - 01:17:20:17
Adam Kinakin
And so that's a really cool piece to it. And again, all the profits that we generate from the summit go to our I got your six campaign for officer mental health. And so that goes to our friends at blue Help this year. Blue help, if you guys are not familiar, is a phenomenal organization. And make sure to check that out as well.
01:17:20:19 - 01:17:46:02
Adam Kinakin
Eagles blue help. Search that in, on Google. First help is the parent company which covers all of the different branches. Blue help is specifically for law enforcement. And, yeah. And so the summit is just that it's a free resource for the week. Come in, check out the training. We are going to have abilities for people that join to come into this, community platform.
01:17:46:02 - 01:18:04:23
Adam Kinakin
It is going to be a membership based platform. So there is going to be a small cost associated with it. But in conversations with our team over the last few weeks, we are going to strive to make it as next two free as humanly possible. And so I don't want officers paying out of pocket. I don't want agencies having to pay for it.
01:18:04:23 - 01:18:22:24
Adam Kinakin
If the information is out there, I want to give them access to it. We're going to do that through our relationships with our amazing sponsors and training partners. But there will be a if you do like what you see and you want to be a part of Eilat moving forward, you can check that out. All that information will be there on the summit as it stands.
01:18:22:24 - 01:18:37:22
Adam Kinakin
So I appreciate you letting me bring that up. But yeah, come join us. It's going to be a phenomenal, week of training. It always is. And it's a ton of fun. And a lot of our sponsors do a lot of giveaways, too. So if you're there, and you fill out a short survey, you have chance to win a bunch of crap.
01:18:37:24 - 01:18:38:18
Speaker 3
Perfect.
01:18:38:20 - 01:18:42:21
Adam Kinakin
A lot of stuff. So, it's always fun, but, no, I appreciate you letting me mention that.
01:18:43:02 - 01:18:59:13
Wayne Mulder
Absolutely exciting. I will, have everything linked up for the listeners. I've already registered, so I'm looking forward to checking it out myself. And, and for the listeners, sake, you're going to notice when you go to the website, when you follow the links below and you take a look at who a lot of those speakers are.
01:18:59:18 - 01:19:27:04
Wayne Mulder
Many of them have been guest on this very podcast. So like Patrick Fitzgibbons, Doctor Heidi Sievers and so forth. Who a personal friend. So, yeah, there's, a lot of really good people involved in this, besides all the names that Adam just said. All right, Adam, before I let you go, I got to ask you my question that I ask everyone that comes on the On the Blue Line podcast, which is what is the one take away the one thing that law enforcement officers can do that's going to make a difference in their personal lives?
01:19:27:06 - 01:19:58:08
Adam Kinakin
Well, I'll give you the one thing that they can do that's going to help them in every aspect of their life, okay, learn how to think critically, learn about critical thinking and decision making. And if you think you're an expert at it, you're not. There's always something to learn. There's always something to do. And the reason I say that somebody asked me the other day, they said, if you had one thing, that if you could only train an officer in one thing, one thing only, that's all, they got their brand new.
01:19:58:12 - 01:20:22:18
Adam Kinakin
And you could only show them one thing before they have to go out on the street. What would you teach them? And it's critical thinking and decision making, right? Everything that we do in life falls under that. It's not about the skill, it's about the application of a skill. So it doesn't matter if you have it, if you don't know when to use it or how to use it, it's not useful to you at all.
01:20:22:20 - 01:20:40:08
Adam Kinakin
We can apply that in our personal lives in a thousand different ways, right? We can apply that in our professional lives, and it's very easy to draw that connection there as well. But because when we think critical thinking and decision making that that we usually the connotation to that is usually work based, right? It's about, okay, I'm on the job.
01:20:40:11 - 01:21:01:14
Adam Kinakin
I got to do that, you know. But it's it's understanding. Like I use those I use that concept when I deal with my kids every single day. I use that concept when I'm having when I have arguments with my wife. Right. I have to I have to think very quickly. I want to say X, but if I do, here's what's going to happen because of it.
01:21:01:14 - 01:21:16:11
Adam Kinakin
Here are the repercussions. Now I have to shift. Well, why or where do I want to get to? I don't have to work back through. Okay, if that's my end goal, let's start there. How do I work my way back and where's my starting point now to get to that end goal? What's the workaround?
01:21:16:13 - 01:21:17:01
Speaker 4
Yeah.
01:21:17:03 - 01:21:37:20
Adam Kinakin
It's the same thing when we're de-escalating a suspect on the street. Right. My end goal is compliance. How do I get to compliance? Well, it's going to be a there's a thousand different ways to skin that cat. Right. How do we do it? Safely. Effectively efficiently. Same thing in our everyday life I got to get over here. How do I do that?
01:21:38:01 - 01:22:03:23
Adam Kinakin
Right. There's there's a lot of cool like mind games. There's a lot of training things that you can get. There's puzzles. There's different things that allow us to start recognizing patterns, to start recognizing things, to recognize patterns. Identify, utilize patterns and then learn. And if we can get to it, actually create patterns. This is something I, so I listen to Tony Robbins, have started recently, just like little snippets.
01:22:03:23 - 01:22:07:21
Adam Kinakin
I can't handle them in like, big doses because it gets I'm like, I can't, I can't do it.
01:22:08:02 - 01:22:09:08
Speaker 3
I'm an idiot, he said.
01:22:09:08 - 01:22:11:08
Wayne Mulder
I love it, small doses as well.
01:22:11:10 - 01:22:35:05
Adam Kinakin
I watched a snapshot of him, just the other day and he said, life comes down to patterns. First thing you need to do is learn how to identify a pattern. So if you can't identify a pattern, you're you. There's not much you can actually do because once you start, once you can start seeing, seeing patterns in the chaos, you have a starting point.
01:22:35:07 - 01:23:04:08
Adam Kinakin
Once you learn how to identify them, then the next step is learning how to use the pattern and follow the pattern. Right? Yep. And then once you have those down, the next step and the most advantageous step is then learning how to create your own patterns. So seeing a pattern, being able to utilize the pattern as exists, and then identifying a new pattern that is more advantageous than what you've already been able to identify.
01:23:04:10 - 01:23:05:12
Speaker 3
Yeah.
01:23:05:14 - 01:23:20:16
Adam Kinakin
That's critical thinking. That's decision making. But it's we have to train our brains to do that. And there are a lot of things that go into that. But if there's one thing I would recommend for people to do to just better their lives as a whole, that would be it.
01:23:20:18 - 01:23:32:02
Wayne Mulder
I love that. That is a great answer. And just like the answer you gave earlier, it really comes back to this applied knowledge which really leads to wisdom. So thank you so much, Adam. What is the best way for people to connect with you?
01:23:32:04 - 01:23:56:24
Adam Kinakin
You know, anybody can shoot me an email any single time. It's Adam Adam at Ilot I let's network. So that's the easy email access. Eilat network is the website. Again, I let some adcom. We're we are so open, transparent, available to folks. When? To be honest with you, if you connect anything that has associated with us for the podcast, you have a way to connect with me directly.
01:23:56:24 - 01:24:19:17
Adam Kinakin
So, I encourage people to do so. Questions, comments, concerns. If you want to just yell at me because you think I've been talking out of my ass the whole time, that's cool too. It's important to take criticism as well. And that's a there's a there's a second. There's a second point to your question. What I'd teach people to do, learn how to take criticism because, that's severely lacking in our society at the moment.
01:24:19:19 - 01:24:35:03
Wayne Mulder
It absolutely is. And by getting differing points of view, it only makes us better. So, Adam, thank you so much for this this morning. This has been a great conversation. You've got so many great things going on. The second time I've had a chance to meet you and it's truly been a pleasure. So thank you very much for coming on.
01:24:35:05 - 01:24:38:07
Adam Kinakin
Absolutely, bro. Thank you. And looking forward to having you on our show. So we'll talk to you.
01:24:38:07 - 01:24:40:03
Wayne Mulder
That sounds good. Thanks.
01:24:40:19 - 01:24:58:03
Wayne Mulder
All right. Thank you so much for listening. I hope you enjoyed this episode. Like I said back at the beginning, this is the last of the prerecorded episodes. So everything after this is fresh. It's not from the dusty archives. I'm not having to pull them out of there, get the cobwebs off of them. None of that. It's all fresh material.
01:24:58:03 - 01:25:12:24
Wayne Mulder
Now that also means that we have to hope things like the storm that is bearing down on us here in Florida, allows me to get this recording done and that I'm not out, working in the streets. Because as many of you know, I'm also in law enforcement as well. So, we're going to hope for that.
01:25:13:01 - 01:25:18:18
Wayne Mulder
There will be a new episode next Thursday. And in the meantime, I'm going to see you out there on the blue line.