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Keith Malinak

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Meet this Weeks Guest: Keith Malinak

Keith Malinak hosts the "At The Mic" podcast where he has conversations with people about their lives...because everybody has a story!

He grew up in Atlanta, is an alum of The University of Nebraska and has spent his 25 year career in radio and television.

He's worked as a producer for Glenn Beck and Blaze TV since 2009 and before then spent his career in radio markets such as Atlanta, Houston, Omaha and Charleston, SC.

For his day job, he is the executive producer of Pat Gray Unleashed which airs weekday mornings on Blaze TV (Pluto TV channel 465).

Keith is married with three children and lives in North Texas.

His At The Mic podcast has featured interviews with guests such as talk show host Glenn Beck, legendary sportscaster Verne Lundquist from CBS Sports and Fox News Sunday host Shannon Bream.

The podcast can be found here - AtTheMicShow.com

**This week’s guest, Keith Malinak is having a special livestream honoring Veterans, on his YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/atthemicwithkeith

NEXT FRIDAY November 11, 2022 (Veterans Day) 2pm – 5 pm EST, be sure to subscribe and sign up for notifications.

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00:00:15:00 - 00:00:33:19

Wayne Mulder

Welcome everybody to another On The Blue Line podcast with Wayne Mulder. I am your host. Yes, you guessed it, Wayne Mulder. And I'm excited to be back with you again today. This is the interview room. And here I sit down on Thursday mornings and talk to someone from all different walks of life. Sometimes they're in law enforcement, but today's guest, he is not.

00:00:34:05 - 00:00:52:10

Wayne Mulder

But no matter what their background, they always have something that is actionable for us and something that can make a difference in our lives. And sometimes it's just entertaining. And a lot of today's is that. And then we end on some really high note. So you are not going to want to miss that part of it. But first, let's get to a little housekeeping.

00:00:52:10 - 00:01:15:06

Wayne Mulder

So this is the interview room. There's also Morning Roll Call comes out on Monday mornings and it's a monologue show. It's just you and I for 15, 20 minutes and I hope that you will check those out. Whatever platform you are listening to this podcast on, please do me a favor and if you would subscribe and if you are on Apple Podcasts, if you would leave us a rating and review that helps us out immensely with the algorithm.

00:01:15:13 - 00:01:35:02

Wayne Mulder

The same is true. Every episode is done in video, so please be sure to subscribe to either our YouTube or our Rumble channel, whichever you prefer, and then leaving us notes and liking the episodes on there helps as well. So I really appreciate your help with that. And the only other thing that I want to tell you about is our on the blue line community that is on Facebook.

00:01:35:02 - 00:01:52:10

Wayne Mulder

It's a Facebook group and it's really open to everybody. You just have to either be law enforcement or law enforcement supporter. So I have a feeling that that covers just about everybody who would listen to this show. So if you haven't joined us in our closed Facebook group, I'm the blue line community. All the links to all of those things I just discussed in the show notes below.

00:01:53:04 - 00:02:13:13

Wayne Mulder

Before I tell you about this week's guest, who is Keith Malinak, I first want to mention to you that Keith is doing a special on Friday, November 11th. That is Veterans Day. So this is next week, Friday, November 11th. And it's going to be from 2 p.m. to 5 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, and it's going to be on his YouTube channel At The Mic with Keith.

00:02:14:13 - 00:02:41:03

Wayne Mulder

It is a livestream event and it is going to be in honor of veterans and it's going to be on Veterans Day from 2 to 5 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. So there's a link below in the show notes for that. Please be sure to go to his YouTube channel. It's At The Mic with Keith and be sure to subscribe and then be sure to check out his livestream event next Friday, November 11th Veteran's Day from 2 to 5 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.

00:02:41:09 - 00:02:59:22

Wayne Mulder

And you will find that these next couple episodes were actually scheduled intentionally because of Veterans Day activities that they guest are having. So this week, let me introduce you to Keith Malinak, Keith hosts the At the Mic podcast where he has conversations with people about their lives because as he puts it, everybody has a story. And I think that's very true.

00:02:59:22 - 00:03:19:18

Wayne Mulder

And I love the format of his podcast. He grew up in Atlanta. He is an alumna of the University of Nebraska, and he spent his 25 year career in radio and television. He's worked as a producer for Glenn Beck and Blaze TV since 2009 and before then spent his career in radio markets such as Atlanta, Houston, Omaha and Charleston.

00:03:20:07 - 00:03:44:10

Wayne Mulder

And then for his day job, he is the executive producer of Pat Gray Unleashed, which are which airs weekday mornings on Blaze TV and on Pluto TV channel 465. He's married with three children and lives in North Texas, and his At The Mic podcast is featured. Interviews with such as Talk show host Glenn Beck, legendary sportscaster Verne Lundquist from CBS Sports and Fox News Sunday host Shannon Bream.

00:03:45:17 - 00:04:02:20

Wayne Mulder

I really enjoyed this conversation, but I will warn you, this is the longest podcast that I've released. I've had longer ones that I've recorded, but this is the longest one that I have released and in its entirety it is roughly about an hour and 35 minutes of talk time. So I give you that warning because I do hope you listen to the whole thing.

00:04:03:09 - 00:04:25:24

Wayne Mulder

But if you are short on time at about the 45 to 50 minute mark is when we really get into his story. What really happened? If you have done what you may not know as just the listener to the podcast is, so often when we first link up with the guest to start talking to them, oftentimes we can talk for 20, 30, 40 minutes and none of that ever gets recorded.

00:04:26:07 - 00:04:50:02

Wayne Mulder

And then you get into the meat of the interview. And that's what I've pieced together and give to you each and every week. Well, the way this one fell together, it kind of flowed in that natural format. So we talk about all sorts of things. We talk about the American West, we talk about hotels in Wyoming, we talk about dogs, and we talk about literally anything and everything you can think of.

00:04:50:02 - 00:05:08:22

Wayne Mulder

We do get heavily into politics, not really controversially so, but we do get into politics because that is, of course, what his day job is all about. And then we end up with some stuff that is definitely actionable for all of us in law enforcement. So and of course, we also go over what not to do so you don't get electrocuted.

00:05:09:09 - 00:05:22:08

Wayne Mulder

That may be one of the best parts. So I hope you enjoyed this week's episode without taking any more time. Here's this week's guest, Keith Malinak. Well, Keith, welcome to the show.

00:05:22:21 - 00:05:27:13

Keith Malinak

Yeah, man, thanks for having me. I appreciate the invite and looking forward to this conversation.

00:05:27:17 - 00:05:33:00

Wayne Mulder

Absolutely. I'm glad we could make this happen. I think this is going to be a lot of fun like we were just talking about off air.

00:05:33:00 - 00:05:40:14

Keith Malinak

Wait hold on, are you saying and if it's not a lot of fun, like, am I in trouble? Because that's a lot of pressure. You're putting me under right out of the start on. Appreciate that way.

00:05:40:19 - 00:05:45:15

Wayne Mulder

That is true. But it is a good prerequisite. You know.

00:05:45:15 - 00:06:09:23

Keith Malinak

And by the way, this is the first this is the I've done a Zoom meeting before just on my phone. I remember now me and some high school buddies, we get together like once every three months and someone sends a link and I click on it and then I hold it up to my face and I can see all of them and stuff, but I've never gone through the process of downloading zoom onto the computer.

00:06:10:18 - 00:06:30:04

Keith Malinak

I've never been well interviewed through Zoom. Well, I did an interview, but I think it was it was up. In other words, as ridiculous as this sounds, I truly believe that I am the last human being on earth to have zoom on their computer and sit down and do one of these little face to face things. I can't remember.

00:06:30:04 - 00:06:41:11

Keith Malinak

I did another interview and it was just Skype though. Like, I am a Zoom newbie and I hope that the video and the audio and everything is clear. So thank you for your patience to play.

00:06:41:20 - 00:06:54:00

Wayne Mulder

In the irony of that. To me is the fact that you're someone, as the listeners will learn as through our conversation, who's been in radio, who's been around production, who's that? So I love that actually about you. I think that's absolutely hilarious.

00:06:54:12 - 00:06:56:23

Keith Malinak

Thanks. Appreciate it. Yeah, I don't get out much, man.

00:06:58:01 - 00:07:04:13

Wayne Mulder

Well, let's get let's start where I do with everybody. These are the get to know your questions. All right. So these are the softballs. So is it coffee or tea?

00:07:04:15 - 00:07:34:10

Keith Malinak

It's coffee. Yeah. Every time I grew up in the South, sweetie was part of the food groups that we were required to eat. Growing up and drink, you know, as kids. But no coffee, especially NPR Coffee. You know, a sponsor of my podcast. That's very good. And it's also it's also a a vessel to deliver sugar into my bloodstream when I wake up early in the morning and wake up early in the morning, I do.

00:07:34:10 - 00:07:39:15

Keith Malinak

So I have to have that sugar kick to kind of wake up and, you know, go about my day.

00:07:40:02 - 00:07:41:12

Wayne Mulder

So you're not a black coffee guy?

00:07:42:00 - 00:07:45:01

Keith Malinak

Yeah, straight up. Black coffee just with sugar ignores me.

00:07:45:01 - 00:07:46:19

Wayne Mulder

Say, there has to be sugar in here somewhere. Yeah.

00:07:46:24 - 00:08:13:21

Keith Malinak

Oh, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I know. Waitress on earth has yet to encounter me and believe the consumption of sugar that I intake. Like, even, like a little small McDonald's coffees. Yeah, as a 12. That's 12 packs of sugar I go through. If you're familiar with my day job unleashed, I don't know. I don't. I just don't know if the camera ever catches this.

00:08:13:21 - 00:08:32:10

Keith Malinak

But if I'm late getting my coffee doctored in the morning during that show, you might catch the canister that sits in my desk drawer. Then I just literally I just dump it into the coffee and I go through one of those canisters, you know, I don't know when I'm going to have to get back to you on that.

00:08:32:15 - 00:08:56:10

Keith Malinak

I'm going to the next time I open up one of those, I'm going to just do a little marks and see how many days it takes. But I'd say couple of weeks maybe. And I'm on to the next canister. It's it's a problem. It's it's diabetes waiting to happen, that's for sure. But so far, so good. And look, man, you do what it takes to stay awake, right?

00:08:56:23 - 00:09:04:02

Wayne Mulder

Exactly as you say. So you're saying early, early morning radio guys are kind of like cops in the middle of the night? Very similar habits.

00:09:04:12 - 00:09:12:03

Keith Malinak

Yeah. I mean, and there's donuts, too, constantly coming through that studio, too. So yeah, there's a lot of similarities for sure.

00:09:13:02 - 00:09:22:19

Wayne Mulder

I may have noticed some tweets this morning on Twitter. So yeah, I think it's a good thing that's not always coming through my world because. Yeah, that would be bad.

00:09:24:01 - 00:09:50:13

Keith Malinak

Understood, man. Understood. And that's what's so great about our listeners. They're constantly, you know, sending us stuff that's bringing in cookies or donuts or couches. In fact, you know, we knew this game called Moron Trivia and one of the call screeners on opening week, he brought in just massive amounts of donuts for everybody. And I'm like, bro, first of all, you don't need to be doing this.

00:09:50:13 - 00:10:07:13

Keith Malinak

I appreciate it very much. But secondly, we've got enough passing through here. As it is, we don't need any extra help with the with the sugar intake. But no, man, you're right. That studio is constantly drenched in sugar.

00:10:07:16 - 00:10:17:20

Wayne Mulder

That's why I work for a major now that every time he shows up for a meeting, has a box of donuts with him. And I'm like, Sir, that's not going to help any of us with our physical assessment test.

00:10:17:20 - 00:10:20:08

Keith Malinak

That we have to know. Right? What are you doing?

00:10:20:17 - 00:10:25:23

Wayne Mulder

So my next follow up to the coffee and tea question is typically, do you have a favorite place to have that drink?

00:10:27:03 - 00:10:50:07

Keith Malinak

Well, I mean, and I'm I'm going to chain to the desk at work during Pat Gray Unleashed. So that's typically where I have to enjoy it. Now I will say that on the weekends I enjoy a nice cup of coffee on the back patio. There's about two weeks out of the calendar year where it's comfortable to sit outside in Texas.

00:10:50:22 - 00:11:06:09

Keith Malinak

And so you take advantage of that, that 14 day window. Yep. So you get a couple of weekends outside. No, the back patio is nice when it's not, you know, the summertime. But yeah, it's typically just chained to a desk at work.

00:11:06:16 - 00:11:24:05

Wayne Mulder

So I find that ants are pretty common with coffee drinkers that on their days off, of course we all have the run out the door for whatever our vocation is. But I find that on our days off, there's always something with coffee drinkers about. Just maybe it's a back patio, maybe it's by the pool, maybe it's by the water.

00:11:24:05 - 00:11:28:11

Wayne Mulder

But you just enjoy that drinking coffee first thing in the morning, enjoying the surroundings.

00:11:28:20 - 00:11:34:01

Keith Malinak

Yeah, it just it depends on the humidity, which is constantly out of control here in north Texas. But I will.

00:11:34:01 - 00:11:35:21

Wayne Mulder

Say that I'm in Florida, Keith. I understand.

00:11:36:03 - 00:12:03:19

Keith Malinak

That's true. That's true. You know this. So I will say, though, that I, I typically do walk down the street with with with my big dog, Tanner, on Saturday and Sunday mornings or whatever, like the smartest animal ever. But like, he knows, like, if I'm up and out of bed, you know, then he just rolls back over and says, okay, we're not going anywhere.

00:12:03:21 - 00:12:04:02

Keith Malinak

What?

00:12:04:02 - 00:12:04:21

Wayne Mulder

Brady is Tanner.

00:12:05:08 - 00:12:09:04

Keith Malinak

He's everything. He's I think he's got he's literally got.

00:12:09:16 - 00:12:13:08

Wayne Mulder

More in like the lab size or what I he's he's big.

00:12:13:16 - 00:12:37:22

Keith Malinak

Mid and medium sized as compared to our little eagle Chihuahua beagle mix. Matilda. He's a big dog. Tanner is. But so if he sees me on my phone in the morning, then he will come over there and stare at me. As in, like, bro, I obviously you're not going to work if you're on your phone, so let's go because I got to go.

00:12:38:07 - 00:13:01:22

Keith Malinak

But if I get right out of bed, you know, and I start getting ready just like, this sucks. I'm not going to be able to walk today anyway. Do you ever see like you got to be careful and say the word walk because he may come in here and be like, Bro, I heard the word this girl. You know, and you like we have a whole new language in this house, you know, for for so many words or else game on.

00:13:02:04 - 00:13:24:00

Keith Malinak

But anyway, what I started to say is I'll walk down the aisle, walk down the road with Tanner weekend morning with my coffee in hand. But I stopped doing that way. And let me tell you why. I got a little bit tired of picking up dog poop out of the neighbor's yard, right? Yeah. And one hand I've got a bag of dog poop.

00:13:24:00 - 00:13:41:20

Keith Malinak

In the other hand, I've got a warm, fresh cup of coffee. And it's just like they're just too. You don't want to cross those beams. And I just got I got a little bit irritating because I was like, Oh, I smell. And now we just the coffee weights, do we come home?

00:13:41:20 - 00:13:43:14

Wayne Mulder

Well, I don't even know how to follow up on that.

00:13:43:18 - 00:13:46:18

Keith Malinak

Too much truth is a too much truthful way. Not at.

00:13:46:18 - 00:14:02:16

Wayne Mulder

All. I love it. Well, so I have two Tibetan mastiffs, so I understand the big dog thing and same like they'll hear me in here interviewing and yeah, I got, you know you never know what might all of a sudden a prompt them scratching on the door here because they hear the key word or something.

00:14:03:04 - 00:14:28:22

Keith Malinak

That's right. That's right. And it's just the smarter he gets, the more and more words we have to police ourselves with, you know, just like, oh, don't sit like, okay, so get this. His favorite toy, it's a tire that I throw in the yard, right? And so I had to change my language instead of asking him if he was tired.

00:14:29:07 - 00:14:36:17

Keith Malinak

It's now are you sleepy? Because if you're tired, hell, no, I'm not tired. Let's go play.

00:14:36:18 - 00:14:38:04

Wayne Mulder

Yeah, let's go grab that.

00:14:38:09 - 00:14:44:00

Keith Malinak

Right. Yeah. And so he hears the word too. I'm telling you, man, you got to change your language when you have smart dogs in your house, you know it.

00:14:44:07 - 00:14:48:14

Wayne Mulder

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. They're way too smart for being dogs. That's all I'm doing.

00:14:49:02 - 00:15:10:06

Keith Malinak

Yeah. And in fact, if I posted a video talking about Twitter earlier, I don't know if you saw this a little bit ago, quite a while back now, I guess Matilda had her birthday and I sang her happy birthday and I posted that video and showed how disinterested she was because she's Matilda and her brain's the size of a walnut at best.

00:15:10:06 - 00:15:36:06

Keith Malinak

And she was just like, Cool, thanks for the birthday song. Whatever that was. We'll see. And I did not realize he was this smart. Tanner heard me singing, and Tanner knows that when we sing Happy Birthday to People, that what typically happens is little presents come after that. Because, you know, we have people, you know, my family lives in town and stuff and they come over and we sing Happy Birthday and then open presents.

00:15:36:06 - 00:15:59:00

Keith Malinak

And he loves tearing into the tissue paper in the bags and stuff. Opening presents. I can help. Let me help. Look, I'll show you how to open this. So I sang that to Matilda and he comes in here. There's a video of this on on Twitter as well. He comes over here to where the dog toys are, and he's like, Bro, where's where's the gift?

00:15:59:00 - 00:16:07:18

Keith Malinak

Where it's time to play? And I want to gift in here to play with because I heard the song, the birthday song. I'm telling you, man, just whatever. I love dog so much, man.

00:16:07:23 - 00:16:13:15

Wayne Mulder

I love it. Yeah. The most recent one I saw with Matilda was her spying on you within the last couple of days, so.

00:16:13:17 - 00:16:18:23

Keith Malinak

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She does that. She wants to get in your lap all the time, and that's what she does. Yeah, yeah.

00:16:19:01 - 00:16:22:06

Wayne Mulder

It's good stuff. Yeah. No, I definitely enjoy your dogs.

00:16:22:06 - 00:16:23:09

Keith Malinak

Don't get in your lap much.

00:16:24:06 - 00:16:26:13

Wayne Mulder

No, since they're the size I am. Yeah, yeah.

00:16:26:24 - 00:16:29:01

Keith Malinak

Yeah. You got to get to little one.

00:16:29:13 - 00:16:50:17

Wayne Mulder

I have a selfie photos that I took with Dakari, the bigger of the two. So they're both full blood. Tibetan mastiffs. But it's really weird because one actually has the build that you'd expect higher up in the Snowy Mountains. So the bigger paws, the heavier coat, bigger block your head. And then the other one is a little bit smaller, but they're both pure blood, massive.

00:16:51:04 - 00:17:01:20

Wayne Mulder

But what you'll do is we'll put her front paws up by the kitchen sink, and when she does, she's her head is literally just a little bit above my shoulders. So I'm taking a couple selfies with the two of us.

00:17:02:05 - 00:17:08:01

Keith Malinak

Oh, yeah? Yeah. Are you familiar with that show, Modern Family?

00:17:08:01 - 00:17:09:01

Wayne Mulder

And vaguely.

00:17:09:06 - 00:17:29:20

Keith Malinak

Yeah. So Jay has a little dog and stuff, and I mean, that's literally me with Matilda. Like I never thought I would like little dogs used to make fun of Paris Hilton, all this stuff, you know, bro, if you get you a little dog, they will wrap you around their little paws. That's for sure. And that's happened to me, and I'm not ashamed to admit it.

00:17:30:06 - 00:17:31:17

Keith Malinak

That's awesome. Yeah.

00:17:32:04 - 00:17:37:03

Wayne Mulder

Well, let me ask you, if you got a best or worst travel story.

00:17:37:03 - 00:17:58:23

Keith Malinak

Oh, definitely a worst comes to mind. When we moved from Omaha, Nebraska, to Charleston, South Carolina, we rented a U-Haul. My dad and I were doing the driving and I will spare you all the details because it will literally take up the entirety of your podcast. But I ended up I, I ended up typing up the story to send to my dad after the fact.

00:17:58:23 - 00:18:29:18

Keith Malinak

I think it was like 12 or 13 page long email from Omaha to Charleston, the amount of things that went wrong in this trip. Like I remember Izzo in Illinois. Here's a few highlights, right? Yeah. So it was it was me and my dad and two cats and a carrier between us. That was a blast. And so I remember in Illinois, it snowed so much while we were there overnight.

00:18:29:18 - 00:18:49:05

Keith Malinak

Keep in mind, this was Illinois. But when we got to the U-Haul place in Charleston and it was time to unload everything into a storage unit. Yeah, all the stuff. I won't say all the stuff, but a good bit of the stuff was wet because the snow had melted and gone all the way down on the furniture and still, what a nightmare.

00:18:50:07 - 00:19:08:06

Keith Malinak

The cats, who are normally great travelers, decided that they wanted to be very vocal this trip. I don't know if they were trying to forewarn us of what lay ahead, but in fact, there was this one time I get this. This is this a two more little nuggets from the story. My dad finds a cell phone in the snow while we're in Illinois.

00:19:09:11 - 00:19:16:14

Keith Malinak

And he says, I say, Where'd you get that phone, man? We've got phones. He's like, Well, we may need it, you know, like we.

00:19:16:14 - 00:19:17:06

Keith Malinak

May need it.

00:19:17:06 - 00:19:43:06

Keith Malinak

Somebody's phone, bro, what are you doing? And so we're driving through Illinois and it starts ringing and I'm like, Give me that phone. Just Chuck it out the on the interstate somewhere. Right? I want to be pinged and tracked down, you know, thieves. Anyway, Christmas night, we we are enjoying ourselves in Atlanta and we're going to hit the road the next day.

00:19:43:14 - 00:20:01:02

Keith Malinak

Hell, it might have been 27. We were going to take it easy for a while, but a snowstorm looked this up. You know, December of 2004. Snow is arriving in Atlanta. And and I called my dad because I wasn't staying at his house. I'm like, we should probably leave now. So we did. And we got a flat tire in East Atlanta.

00:20:02:00 - 00:20:20:03

Keith Malinak

And if you know anything about East Atlanta, it's not the place you want to get a flat tire. Both of our cell phone batteries died when we were waiting on a tow truck. The pay phone was sporadic at best. The parking lot we were in the business was guys Christmas, you know. And we look at each other and I go, you know what?

00:20:20:10 - 00:20:41:11

Keith Malinak

I really wish we had that cell phone from Illinois right about now. So anyway, we finally get out of Atlanta. It is a harrowing experience. We finally get out of Atlanta. We get to Columbia, South Carolina, Christmas night. Well, now it's the morning of the 26th and it's snowing in Columbia and we're leaving a gas station. It's like 2 a.m. in.

00:20:41:11 - 00:20:49:15

Keith Malinak

This guy climbs, tries to get into the U-Haul with us. And my dad is like trying to close the door and shove him out. It was a nightmare.

00:20:49:22 - 00:20:51:21

Wayne Mulder

But you're in the vehicle, he tries, forgetting.

00:20:51:24 - 00:21:13:17

Keith Malinak

We're pulling out of the gas station and this, like, drugged up guy. Oh, never forget, man. He's just like, Hey, I was come in there when my car went in there. And it's just those are just highly lights from this ordeal. Omaha to Charleston, December 2004. Yeah, we were.

00:21:14:12 - 00:21:20:01

Wayne Mulder

We were talking off line that you need to write a book. And I think you just laid out the premise of a great one.

00:21:20:09 - 00:21:57:16

Keith Malinak

I will say the best trip was just last summer of 2021. And so I plan this trip out and we're going to fly from Dallas to Salt Lake City and then drive up through Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, back down Idaho and the Utah and had it all planned out and really looking forward to it. And I wanted I picked these ten days or whatever it was and then Carrie's like, Yeah, I can't get off.

00:21:57:16 - 00:22:21:04

Keith Malinak

That week is a long story, but I have to do it. You know, a week earlier I was like, Man, I got this all planned out and you got to change the reservation dates and stuff. Anyway, got that done? No. Ahead of time. Enough. Got that done. It was truly the greatest trip ever because we originally our big trip was going to be, I think, you know, Disneyworld.

00:22:21:23 - 00:22:49:03

Keith Malinak

But don't get me started on vaccines and masks. And I crashed anyway. So I was like, You know what? We're going somewhere where it's just great, wide open and screw your mandates. So Trip was perfect. The temperature fluctuated between 39 degrees and 79 degrees. On this trip, the mountains were perfect. The weather was chamber of Commerce. Everywhere we went, it was unreal.

00:22:50:08 - 00:23:12:11

Keith Malinak

Shout out to the Boise Redhawks they won Walk Off anyway. So I mean, we did everything. The mountains, I mean, Glacier National Park is the greatest place on earth. And we get to the airport on the last day we're leaving. We're sitting in the Salt Lake City Airport and I see on my phone, I've got a bus this we got a heat alert for for this location today, huh?

00:23:12:21 - 00:23:40:06

Keith Malinak

Well, I guess it's a good timing that we're getting out of here now. If you recall, the summer of 2021 was record setting heat from start to finish and it was miserable. Remember, this was fires and just heat and drought and stuff. We literally if we hadn't have left when we did and left when we wanted to, when I wanted to, it would have been a nightmare because we actually know people that made a similar trip that week that we would have been gone.

00:23:40:06 - 00:23:59:10

Keith Malinak

And they said it was just nasty everywhere and hot, man, it was perfect while we were there. So I'm so glad it worked out. The dates had to get changed, but like, you know, you're talking about leaving the windows open at night in your cabins. And that was my dream trip was just driving through the Rocky Mountain West where the temperature was.

00:23:59:13 - 00:24:03:02

Keith Malinak

Like I said, you know, 4050s and 6070s.

00:24:03:02 - 00:24:04:19

Wayne Mulder

Just that's.

00:24:04:23 - 00:24:05:11

Keith Malinak

So good.

00:24:05:20 - 00:24:13:05

Wayne Mulder

I love it out there. Yeah, I anyone that's watched the show knows that that is my dream is Wyoming. In fact, I put the flag up here.

00:24:13:11 - 00:24:13:18

Keith Malinak

And see.

00:24:13:18 - 00:24:15:15

Wayne Mulder

That just for you, Keith. Actually.

00:24:15:24 - 00:24:20:13

Keith Malinak

Because I wore my Wyoming State flag hat, I can go and change if you want.

00:24:20:13 - 00:24:24:23

Wayne Mulder

Was very proud of them recently, say, in the primaries. So I figured I would put them down.

00:24:25:22 - 00:24:51:15

Keith Malinak

I got you know I, I love Wyoming. I, I just you can't go wrong. And this is my rule of thumb. You cannot go wrong with any state that is in the mountain time zone. Name the state that's in the mountain time zone and I'm sold anything. It's just. Just so beautiful and quiet and wide open and peaceful.

00:24:51:15 - 00:24:56:22

Keith Malinak

I mean, there are some suspect areas in Colorado, but that's why I always go up in the mountains when I'm there.

00:24:57:06 - 00:25:07:10

Wayne Mulder

There's a reason I always say Wyoming. I mean, I like Colorado. Some parts of Colorado, but there we'll just say there's some politics of Colorado I'm not a big fan of, but I really love Wyoming.

00:25:07:20 - 00:25:13:20

Keith Malinak

Do you get to spend a lot of time in Wyoming, specifically Cheyenne at all, or is that just you love from afar?

00:25:14:00 - 00:25:37:06

Wayne Mulder

So we've made a couple trips over the last couple of years because I've been fairly serious. If, if and when this grows, my intention is to move to Wyoming and to move away from my day job, which the listeners all know. But that being said, to answer your question, one of the trips we did go to Cheyenne, I wasn't a huge fan of Cheyenne, the city, but I like the areas around it and I need to give it a second chance.

00:25:37:06 - 00:25:44:03

Wayne Mulder

But we went, we were actually gonna stay at a hotel downtown that was kind of a nightmare. And it was like a lot of other cities.

00:25:44:07 - 00:26:00:09

Keith Malinak

No, hang on a second now, because I'm kind of with you on Cheyenne is not, you know, it's not postcard, you know, like the rest of the state. Right. However, I wonder if we stayed at the same hotel. What's the what's the hotel? Do you remember the name of it?

00:26:00:14 - 00:26:07:01

Wayne Mulder

I don't, but it's one that's been around for a long time and they sell it as being the turn of the Century Hotel.

00:26:07:01 - 00:26:08:01

Keith Malinak

Yeah, yeah.

00:26:08:04 - 00:26:17:12

Wayne Mulder

It really looks like they took a nights in and put I mean the furniture and everything was like they had went to some sale at the nights in and tried to create an old hotel.

00:26:17:22 - 00:26:48:12

Keith Malinak

Oh, really? They were saying, I can't think of the name of the hotel, but it's right across the reason. So it's location, location, location, way. And I'm going to figure it out because I stayed there a couple of times and it is the I'll never figure it out here on the fly. But the reason it's such a great place, if you ask me, is because it is directly across the street from accomplice beer, which is the grill.

00:26:48:18 - 00:27:07:14

Keith Malinak

Okay. So let me tell you about accomplice beer, man, please. Okay. I'm so angry right now. So I drive to so I made a trip there recently and I drove up to Cheyenne and I'm going to be looking down here for a second to figure out the name of this hotel. I'm so close to it. Okay. Oh, gosh.

00:27:08:04 - 00:27:39:09

Keith Malinak

I got to sitting in the name of that hotel anyway. So I go to. So in 2019, I'm an accomplice near there in downtown Cheyenne. And it's the greatest place on planet Earth that's not named Glacier National Park, because they have all of these beers on the wall, like little taps that you you basically you scan your car at or whatever.

00:27:39:09 - 00:28:03:12

Keith Malinak

I don't know. And then you just get to sample all these beers and and then you just pay for how much you end up getting. And it's just it's just great. It's just self-service stuff. I went there again. That was 2019 and it was the greatest place on earth. Right. And then I went there this summer and they're like, Yeah, we don't do that anymore because of COVID.

00:28:03:12 - 00:28:23:14

Keith Malinak

And you have to you have to tell. It's like it's just a bar now. It's literally a bar. And you see the taps on the wall and you're right there, you know, but the waitresses have to go and get it for you. Well, I tried everything on the wall when I was there the first time. There's a little sample, you know, a little sample, you know, a little sample.

00:28:23:17 - 00:28:30:23

Keith Malinak

Oh, no, no. Now we're in post-COVID world. You don't get samples. It's just it's literally a bar. And that really it's Wyoming.

00:28:31:01 - 00:28:36:07

Wayne Mulder

Why? It's like Florida. You shouldn't have to be dealing with things. Change because of.

00:28:36:07 - 00:28:40:01

Keith Malinak

COVID. Yeah, yeah. Historic Plains Hotel.

00:28:40:08 - 00:28:40:21

Wayne Mulder

Yes.

00:28:41:19 - 00:28:50:10

Keith Malinak

Yeah. And still did it. Okay. So I'm kind of torn on ghosts and how we. I don't know. I don't know.

00:28:50:11 - 00:28:55:16

Wayne Mulder

Maybe I'm pretty sure on aliens right now, given the world we're in but going, oh, yeah.

00:28:55:16 - 00:29:02:03

Keith Malinak

Yeah, yeah. But I'm telling you, I have never felt ghosts the way I did in the Plains Hotel in Cheyenne, Wyoming.

00:29:02:10 - 00:29:03:12

Wayne Mulder

Did you actually stay?

00:29:04:05 - 00:29:04:18

Keith Malinak

Yeah, yeah.

00:29:04:18 - 00:29:25:05

Wayne Mulder

Yeah, yeah. So we got the room and we went in there and I swear the room we had literally look like they had just went to like Nights In or Days Inn or something and got some discount furniture deal and laid that out and nothing even matched like it was literally like, you know, grandma, this piece of art here with some odd florals on it and it's like, what in the world is this?

00:29:25:12 - 00:29:28:00

Wayne Mulder

My, my wife was like, No, no, no, no. We're not staying.

00:29:28:08 - 00:29:33:09

Keith Malinak

In, huh? Yeah. A lot of presidents have stayed there over the years and a lot of celebrities.

00:29:33:18 - 00:29:37:07

Wayne Mulder

Yeah, their website sold me. I was like, Yeah, this is our kind of thing.

00:29:37:17 - 00:29:38:01

Keith Malinak

Yeah.

00:29:38:15 - 00:29:40:10

Wayne Mulder

Full disclosure, have you been up to Sheridan?

00:29:41:06 - 00:29:55:21

Keith Malinak

Well, well, real quick, the one thing that was such a trip at the Plains Hotel is that they built it before there was running water. And you'll notice that the bathrooms I don't know if you stayed long enough, the bathroom and the shower and stuff is like elevated.

00:29:55:21 - 00:29:56:17

Wayne Mulder

I noticed that.

00:29:56:22 - 00:30:02:18

Keith Malinak

Yeah, it was a trip, man. Sheridan I see.

00:30:02:18 - 00:30:03:09

Wayne Mulder

And the reason I.

00:30:03:09 - 00:30:06:16

Keith Malinak

Ask, I might have passed through. I don't know that I've stayed there. Yeah.

00:30:06:21 - 00:30:18:21

Wayne Mulder

So it's almost directly north of Cheyenne, so it's on the north east corner of the state. And there's a beautiful the Cody like Buffalo Bill Cody Hotel or whatever.

00:30:19:04 - 00:30:19:17

Keith Malinak

Oh, cool.

00:30:19:21 - 00:30:37:06

Wayne Mulder

Absolutely wonderful. Has the old keys, you know, where you had to get it from the front desk. That's not nice. We stayed there the night before we were going to stay in Cheyenne, so that actually played a big part. And we had just stayed in this beautiful turn of the century hotel. And then we go stand. Then we go to the one in Cheyenne.

00:30:37:06 - 00:30:38:04

Wayne Mulder

And it was all disappointing.

00:30:38:04 - 00:30:38:20

Keith Malinak

And it ruined it.

00:30:38:20 - 00:30:41:07

Wayne Mulder

For you, huh? Yeah. We were ruined due to Sheridan.

00:30:41:17 - 00:31:06:11

Keith Malinak

I think I visited Sheridan. No, I was just looking at it here. See, I lived in Scottsbluff, Nebraska, in 1993 ish, and that's not now. I was just I was mapping to see how far Scottsbluff was to Sheridan. And I'm looking where Sheridan is right there. I, I don't think I've ever been there, man. Not even passing through.

00:31:06:17 - 00:31:29:11

Keith Malinak

I'm trying to think of the town now. It's bugging me. I want to know the town that I'm thinking about that I visited when I lived in Scottsbluff. I don't know that it really add much to your podcast, but I'm just trying to figure it out for my own benefit here. Anyway, I love Wyoming. I especially love the western side of the state with the Yellowstone and Grand Tetons and all that good stuff.

00:31:31:01 - 00:31:52:19

Wayne Mulder

Yeah, we were very blessed to stay in a there's a rancher outside of Cody, so probably like 50 miles outside of Cody, Wyoming. And I just happened to be on Airbnb living down here in Florida and I came across this place. Well, they had just moved the what would be the mom and dad of the old man. So it's the son that's our age.

00:31:52:19 - 00:32:15:06

Wayne Mulder

That's was like, Hey, let's put this thing on Airbnb to make some money. But ranch, family, ranch, been there forever, kind of into the mountains. And what's really cool is you had actually parents home then up on the hill, you had the actual homestead now and then when you go up and over the mountain walking and come down the other side, you had all the buildings that were there when they homesteaded the property in the late 1800s.

00:32:15:18 - 00:32:27:19

Wayne Mulder

So I just happened to find this place on Airbnb and I called the guy up and is like, Yeah, we just moved Grandma and grandpa into town. This is first you're going to be the first people to stay here. So I was like.

00:32:27:21 - 00:32:28:04

Keith Malinak

Well.

00:32:28:09 - 00:32:48:09

Wayne Mulder

Heck yeah. So we went out there, stayed the week, wonderful experience. I still had. It felt like you were staying Grandma Grandpa's house because they sold like the little doilies and everything, you know, like Grandma had literally just left and yeah, it was. It was a pretty cool experience. And you're 15 miles or so outside of Cody. So you were, first of all, cell phones, that network, which is always a prerequisite for a good time.

00:32:48:21 - 00:32:51:02

Wayne Mulder

And it was just absolutely gorgeous.

00:32:51:14 - 00:33:17:11

Keith Malinak

And weather and weather, man. That's one of the things that I like to do is get up into the mountains, lose cell service. And you know what? If I catch up with what's been going on in the world when I come back down? Cool. If I don't. Yeah, well, I mean, seriously, I'm not going to be on my deathbed going, oh, my goodness, I missed that one.

00:33:17:11 - 00:33:22:05

Keith Malinak

Joe Biden's speech while I was in the hills. Oh, anyway.

00:33:22:05 - 00:33:23:02

Wayne Mulder

And we're going to you take.

00:33:23:02 - 00:33:33:12

Keith Malinak

It away, man. You got to get away. And I try to get to the mountains a minimum of one time for you. And there are hidden gems.

00:33:33:12 - 00:33:36:08

Wayne Mulder

Yes, fish are just high. Figured you, man.

00:33:37:05 - 00:34:00:09

Keith Malinak

I exist. I like to hike. I do. That's just it. See, people say, why don't you go hiking here in Dallas? Because it's flat and it sucks. And the views aren't good. If you if the goal is a view. Right. Or, or cooler temperatures or whatever. I hike all day. I mean, my step counter, I'm so mad, man.

00:34:00:19 - 00:34:21:12

Keith Malinak

I guess I got a new phone right before I went to my last trip to Colorado and and then my step counter hooked up on this thing. Yeah, hooked up. I say, hey, listen to me, old man time. Anyway, my step counter wasn't working on the little thing. I'm a bum, but I know I love. Oh, my goodness.

00:34:21:12 - 00:34:42:07

Keith Malinak

You've got to get to Colorado Springs. And there's a place called Garden of the Gods. Ben, is that not so? It's free as you know, it's family donate donated and said, look, it's part of the city you can't charge do. One day I walked around I did. So you know how you can for those that don't know, you could do it.

00:34:42:09 - 00:35:04:09

Keith Malinak

It's just a whole bunch of trails, right? And you could just do a circle and call it done or half a circle code done. Right, bro. I made it a point to literally do the I might have missed a couple of cut throws or whatever, but like I did the entire park, I want to know how many miles I lost because that was a day that was a day in the tent.

00:35:04:11 - 00:35:25:19

Keith Malinak

But the weather was perfect. So I just I mean, there's that it's so cool because there was a little like a little baby deer and a little, little fawn, right? Yep. Sitting right next to the trail, sleeping. And, like, we would just walk by and stuff, and the baby was just like, Hey, what's up? You know, I can't.

00:35:25:20 - 00:35:30:23

Keith Malinak

It was like, I mean, or just love that stuff. I love that stuff. So anyway.

00:35:31:07 - 00:35:59:03

Wayne Mulder

My buddy, I just had in fact, he was on the podcast that released yesterday, Daron Hill. He is running for sheriff in Douglas County, Colorado, which is the county directly south of I'm familiar between the two. And it's funny you say, because I saw you post about the fawn on Twitter around the same time he had a deer, a pregnant deer jump over his fence in his backyard and have her fawn right back there, right in his backyard, right in front of him.

00:35:59:03 - 00:36:33:13

Keith Malinak

Was that is cool, man. Yeah, I've stayed I'm very familiar with that area. I stayed at an Airbnb. This couple took one of those. What were those old are I don't know one of these. So you know how they used to have these in the forties and fifties or whatever they used to have these trailer things where you're going to want to edit this podcast heavily, I'll tell you that it's Oh, it's killing me Airstream, right?

00:36:33:13 - 00:36:37:10

Wayne Mulder

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Airstreams. Yeah. So these are expensive, by the way.

00:36:37:20 - 00:37:12:16

Keith Malinak

Okay, well, this guy, this older gentleman and his wife, they and they retired and then they refurbished. They bought these old airstreams and. Yeah, so here's where it stayed in Michigan. So they put one of these up in the hills. Can you see that? Yeah, absolutely. Where? Which is just so lovely. And it's and it's got a view of Pikes Peak and and so he was telling me how he's going to refurbish a bunch of these and kind of spread them out up in the hills there.

00:37:12:23 - 00:37:32:09

Keith Malinak

Anyway, I just love Colorado. I will say that as I stated on the Twitter, Colorado is a gateway drug to Montana. Yeah, but Colorado, I can drive to Colorado from here, you know. And so that's why that's why I end up there more often in Montana.

00:37:32:16 - 00:37:40:17

Wayne Mulder

Now I'm going to be in Aspen the end of November. Is there any saving grace to Aspen?

00:37:40:17 - 00:38:11:02

Keith Malinak

I don't think I've been there. I think that's the one like ski town or whatever and never been there. You know, Steamboat Springs, I dig Estes Park is nice because that's that'll get you into Rocky Mountain National Park. I'm just over the last few years now, I've become more and more familiar with Colorado. And it just, you know, it's it's nice, but you can tell that it's going to get ruined real soon.

00:38:11:23 - 00:38:43:05

Keith Malinak

It's already there. Yeah. Here's a funny thing. It's not that funny, actually. It's really depressing. So buckle up. So 1997, 96, 96, 1996, Kari and I go to Colorado, we go to see YouTube. Yeah, it was May, May 1st, 1997, story straight. No, now that was a different trip to Colorado. Anyway, I have really bad mental problems, as you can tell, trying to stay on track here a little bit.

00:38:43:13 - 00:39:11:07

Keith Malinak

No, it was February, so it was February. And I said, it doesn't matter to the story. Keith, shut up. And these protesters were in front of the state capital like legalized marijuana. And we in 97. Yeah, it was it was February. Let's see. So I'm better than 95 so an 94 and I six. So February 96 protesters in front and we took a selfie and you see these protesters back there but you know you didn't have a camera phone.

00:39:11:07 - 00:39:39:00

Keith Malinak

You had to develop it later, you know what I mean? And so we blocked the sign. But these guys are out there. You legalized Bob Dole anyway. So that was 96. And so obviously all the Californians had moved to Colorado and put down roots. And obviously you see what's happening there. And by the way, I will say, speaking to an officer of the law, I am not please don't insinuate that I am against legalizing marijuana.

00:39:39:00 - 00:40:06:04

Keith Malinak

I am not saying that, but I'm just saying that the the transformation had started. Right. And in and then in 2002, we went to Boise and I said, you know, Boise is going to be the next refuge for people, you know, that ruined Colorado or moved from California. So when we went back to Boise and 2021, you look around, you're like, yep, it's well on its way.

00:40:06:15 - 00:40:30:14

Keith Malinak

Boise was such a gem 20 years ago. People have the secrets out, you know? Yeah. So my next Boise, ladies and gentlemen, the next place that's going to be, you know, the popular place that's going to be ruined is Bozeman, Montana. So anyway, just like all the little Rocky Mountain places, all of them, you know those secrets? Get out, man, and those places get ruined.

00:40:30:23 - 00:40:32:09

Keith Malinak

Yeah, but anyway.

00:40:32:17 - 00:40:50:18

Wayne Mulder

That was seen the beginning of it in Cody that, you know, my only hope for Wyoming is, is there isn't a whole lot there. So it may take a little while for people to want to go there in general, but The Changing World Post 2020 unfortunately makes it where people can live anywhere and do their work.

00:40:50:18 - 00:41:13:09

Keith Malinak

So I will tell you that if you're a college town, it doesn't even matter if you're in the reddest of red states, you're going to get infected. And Laramie is right. University of Wyoming, you know, Boise State's in Boise. It just doesn't matter if you're a college town, you don't have a fighting chance.

00:41:13:19 - 00:41:27:00

Wayne Mulder

Yeah, well, the reason my buddy is running for sheriff in Douglas County is because he's running on the libertarian platform, because the Republican there is pro the flag laws. So that's what prompted him to jump into the race.

00:41:27:13 - 00:41:41:16

Keith Malinak

I have a lot of politically active friends in Douglas County. So does he have a chance, have the Libertarian Party? Because I know that they're active there. I know they're very active there.

00:41:41:22 - 00:41:59:10

Wayne Mulder

And that's what he was saying. He now it's we did that interview three weeks ago. Like I said, it just released yesterday. So I haven't spoke to him since it came out yesterday. But yeah, he felt that he had a chance for the reasons you're saying that something to do with the way the voting goes there, the libertarian actually has a chance.

00:42:00:02 - 00:42:03:15

Keith Malinak

And they're very organized. I'll say that. What does his name?

00:42:04:12 - 00:42:11:01

Wayne Mulder

Daron Hill, D.A.R.E. and Daron Hill. And it's Hill for Liberty is his website.

00:42:11:12 - 00:42:32:04

Keith Malinak

Okay. So I'll make sure that all the people that I know in that area, that that vote in that county, that they get out and show support and they'll probably they'll probably come back to me and say, bro, we got it. We know this. We've been all over this. It's it's it's hell for liberty. You said.

00:42:32:04 - 00:42:36:14

Wayne Mulder

Yeah. Hill, Ford Liberty, the number four. So it's the number four Hill for Liberty.

00:42:37:05 - 00:42:47:01

Keith Malinak

Yeah, but why do people do that? Oh, like that. What are your friends. I don't and don't substitute numbers for letters and words and stuff just, you know.

00:42:47:09 - 00:42:48:16

Wayne Mulder

Just cause you too much going on.

00:42:48:17 - 00:43:01:01

Keith Malinak

So I honestly, I'll tell you I'll tell you what it is. I'll tell you what it is. So my brain, dude, sorry. And I promise, this is water ice.

00:43:01:05 - 00:43:03:03

Wayne Mulder

This is not vodka.

00:43:03:03 - 00:43:28:15

Keith Malinak

There's not vodka. I think the first time I ever saw that was Sinead O'Connor. Nothing compares to you. And she did the two and the U and I think my brain is just kind of been programed to despise numbers for words ever since. I love it. And she did it twice. She took t o and turned it to the number two and she took y0u and turn it to the letter.

00:43:28:15 - 00:43:34:23

Keith Malinak

You see, that's a twice of fender in one song in general.

00:43:34:23 - 00:43:49:05

Wayne Mulder

I agree. In general, I hate it. I will say that in this modern I don't know which I hate worse. Like on Twitter, someone already took on the blue line. So I'm like, I'm the blue line one or whatever, which drives me crazy. So I guess if you can get creative then it that works.

00:43:49:21 - 00:43:53:03

Keith Malinak

And it's and Hill watch this. I'm just going to take this to an hill.

00:43:53:09 - 00:43:54:06

Wayne Mulder

The number for Labor.

00:43:54:06 - 00:44:03:17

Keith Malinak

Day, which I love, which I love that website. But if people can't spell FOIA, they're not going to show up and vote well.

00:44:04:07 - 00:44:07:09

Wayne Mulder

So I could make an argument, maybe they are voting, given what we're seeing.

00:44:07:21 - 00:44:09:18

Keith Malinak

I mean, there is good looking guy. I hope he wins.

00:44:10:14 - 00:44:11:11

Wayne Mulder

That's him. That's there.

00:44:11:16 - 00:44:32:07

Keith Malinak

But I've had glitter there. But my issue is it doesn't even what have you tried to get F or C? Because I type in hill for our liberty in the NA. It's just it's just a blank page there. What's, what's the price like. It didn't even come on the extra five bucks to redirect.

00:44:32:17 - 00:44:34:14

Wayne Mulder

Well, inflation, it's probably 12 now.

00:44:34:23 - 00:45:01:11

Keith Malinak

Oh, yeah, I'll get my back. Sorry. Hey, look, I love it when. When liberty minded people, people who respect the Constitution, which I know that is a big part of your show. And I appreciate police officers who respect the rule of law and and stand for individual rights and liberty, people that that that take the time and the effort.

00:45:01:11 - 00:45:28:09

Keith Malinak

Like, bro, it takes everything in me to stay awake for a Braves game every night. Okay? And and these people are out there. Want to make a difference with our laws and in our institutions and running for higher office. God bless them. I just appreciate that. Yeah. I mean, the best I've ever done is like I served on a planning and zoning board.

00:45:29:02 - 00:45:30:13

Keith Malinak

My goodness, what a nightmare.

00:45:30:18 - 00:45:32:14

Wayne Mulder

As you said, probably a nightmare.

00:45:32:20 - 00:45:38:04

Keith Malinak

It was a good thing it tricked. I was told it would be candy. No, I.

00:45:38:20 - 00:45:39:21

Wayne Mulder

Know. Donuts and sugar.

00:45:40:03 - 00:46:18:07

Keith Malinak

No donuts and sugar. Yeah. So that wasn't that was that was insane enough. I can't imagine being elected and being held accountable. And I mean, you know what? It's actually easier, I think. Or is it you listen to this out here on the fly. All right. I'm going to say it since people like you and I and, I imagine Hill, the number four Liberty, you know, I imagine that I started to say, look, it's easy because we have a set of principles, and if it's in the Constitution and if it's there, then the authority exists.

00:46:18:07 - 00:46:45:12

Keith Malinak

If it's not, then it goes to this. You know how it goes, right? Yeah. So I started to say that's easier than than a liberal who, you know, is just like whatever, you know, whatever feels right, you know. But you know what, though? It's not easy, it's actually quite difficult. And there's so much pressure. On one hand, I will say it's easy because we have the rulebook and we understand our limitations.

00:46:46:14 - 00:47:15:23

Keith Malinak

But it is other and it's, it's challenging because my gosh what a, what a world filled with a nation filled with with screeching. I am legion effectively, you know, on your side, right? You see what it is. So God bless him. I don't know where I was going with that. And like I said, we were just kind of free form in there, but no one knows.

00:47:15:23 - 00:47:46:00

Keith Malinak

Well, I'm going to make sure that all of my pro-freedom because that was a big thing there in Douglas County is, you know, Governor Polis, where there's overreach and and there's just that is a clash of civilizations in Colorado. Yep. That is that is incredibly insane. Far left liberal. Yep. Mixed with your far right conservative rancher types who just want to be left alone.

00:47:46:06 - 00:48:07:22

Keith Malinak

But see, that's where the Libertarian Party can tap into. But it's almost like, is it too late for a place like Denver and that surrounding area? Because there's just been such an infestation from refugees from far left states like California that have come in there and just wrecked the place because Denver was it when I was a kid, I'm 46, man.

00:48:07:22 - 00:48:13:19

Keith Malinak

When I was a kid, that was Colorado was conservative. And that was just a.

00:48:14:09 - 00:48:15:20

Wayne Mulder

That was a foregone conclusion.

00:48:16:10 - 00:48:17:02

Keith Malinak

That was the state.

00:48:17:08 - 00:48:19:05

Wayne Mulder

Solid red Midwest. Yeah.

00:48:19:05 - 00:48:19:17

Keith Malinak

Yeah.

00:48:19:17 - 00:48:38:11

Wayne Mulder

But so I don't think I don't think it's easy. This is my opinion. I think it's easy for people like us to like what we want is simple there. There's no doubt about it. In fact, I say all the time, you know, what side should the government be? Well, that's a real easy answer. So small it fits in the Constitution.

00:48:38:11 - 00:49:12:09

Wayne Mulder

Like, you know, it's extremely simple when it comes to that. But I do think people in certain positions, it's difficult to make that we're seeing it where there is going to be a true cost in this country for being willing to hold the line and being willing to stand up, which is kind of something I'm always talking about, you know, because we've seen sheriffs, I don't want to get specifically into it, but we've seen sheriffs on the wrong side of issues here recently, maybe in south Texas that, you know, are saying things that are very concerning and maybe not in line with where we should be constitutionally.

00:49:12:09 - 00:49:41:11

Wayne Mulder

So I think those that do hold a constitutional mindset on one hand are going to be assaulted more and are going in. And when I say assaulted, I mean verbally at this point, but are going to have more pushback, sometimes even within their own agencies. But I also think that the sheriffs and I said this at the intro to last week's show or my show yesterday that released with Darren, is that I also firmly believe that the sheriffs are one of the last lines of defense in this country for the Constitution.

00:49:41:11 - 00:49:46:20

Wayne Mulder

So I just find that to be such an important role that they're holding right now in a modern times.

00:49:47:11 - 00:50:29:14

Keith Malinak

When push comes to shove and it gets nastier, which I don't see anything that suggests the trajectory of our nation is going to turn on a dime any time soon. But as it gets more and more intense out there and and and officers are asked to enforce laws that are clearly a violation of our natural rights. What's the sense that you get from your buddies that are also in the law enforcement business when push comes to shove, are they going to just enforce these these orders?

00:50:29:14 - 00:50:57:15

Keith Malinak

I don't want to call them laws. Are they going to enforce these edicts that because the dry run that was covered and the fallout after that, I don't have a lot of hope that that liberty minded people are going to step up. I'm not saying they're not out there. I just wonder if they're going to step up and be that actually line of defense between people like me who just want to live their lives and be left alone from government overreach.

00:50:58:06 - 00:51:06:20

Keith Malinak

You know, are they going to or are they just going to follow their marching orders and go to town?

00:51:06:20 - 00:51:16:21

Wayne Mulder

That's a great, great question. And it's something that I think about a lot. It's something I know you guys that we haven't even got to the beginning of your story yet. And I.

00:51:16:21 - 00:51:17:10

Keith Malinak

Don't know.

00:51:17:10 - 00:51:35:02

Wayne Mulder

So what's the point here? We'll get to kind of what you did so everybody knows. But when I listen to like you and obviously Steve Days talks a lot about this kind of stuff where it's like you guys are a bunch of wet noodles, you know, how how do I expect what Todd, you know, is always like, you know, you won't even stand up at a school board.

00:51:35:02 - 00:51:54:12

Wayne Mulder

It's hot. Here's and you won't even stand up a school board meeting. How in the world are you going to, like, stand up against, you know, the things that are coming, like when it really is your livelihood and your family on the line and so forth. So I think the answer to that is two parts. That's one reason why I think there's an education side of it so that you really know what you believe.

00:51:54:12 - 00:52:05:01

Wayne Mulder

There's a lot of people. So I'm 43, so we're in the same age bracket. That was one of the things I was going to get to is how the world changed since the eighties and nineties. A little bit. I think we would both agree, but.

00:52:05:07 - 00:52:06:01

Keith Malinak

A little bit.

00:52:07:02 - 00:52:26:16

Wayne Mulder

I think that there is something to knowing why you believe what you believe that we have lost in this country. So I think that is very important. You know, I think we're wrestling against things right now that are so un-American that there really shouldn't be an argument. You know, we can agree Americans on a lot of fundamental things.

00:52:26:24 - 00:52:42:09

Wayne Mulder

And when we're arguing for things that are clearly not even American, I think we can find a lot of middle ground even with people who would be, quote unquote, liberals or whatever, however you want to term that. And then I think the other side of that, too, is putting them in the right position. So you need people.

00:52:42:09 - 00:52:42:21

Keith Malinak

Who.

00:52:43:02 - 00:53:06:00

Wayne Mulder

As sheriff, the constitutional, voted for a position that hold these same ideals. And I've said it before, I'm very fortunate in Florida to be in a state where I have a governor that is holding the line. I have you know, I work in a great county. I work, you know, so I'm very fortunate right now. But I feel the paying of the people from across this country that I talk to all the time.

00:53:06:01 - 00:53:14:12

Wayne Mulder

And I do wonder myself, when push comes to shove, are people going to stand up for, you know, what they say they actually believe?

00:53:14:12 - 00:53:49:02

Keith Malinak

It's amazing the the rapid descent that we are on as a nation. You had just you had just mentioned how it is a little different now than it was growing up in the eighties and nineties, remember, you know, so we grew up in the eighties. We have a president that loves America, is not shy about saying it. And then the the baby boomers come of age and elect another president that took up the bulk of the nineties.

00:53:49:21 - 00:54:17:13

Keith Malinak

And I think we were just kind of living dangerously. We went from Reagan to Clinton and and and he was kind of more like the hippie mindset, right? So he was more like the look, I just want to, you know, get high and hang out with interns and just just. Bill Clinton was more of the selfish president. Okay?

00:54:18:09 - 00:54:39:15

Keith Malinak

I don't think he hates America. In fact, I give him credit for one of the greatest speeches ever. And it was it was a D-Day remembrance speech. Go back and look at it in 1994. And and when you go and look for it, you've got to find it. They cut it up and it's on YouTube. You got to find the full speech.

00:54:39:19 - 00:55:05:23

Keith Malinak

It's just so good. And so I give him credit for that. I don't think he hates America. But see, America was living dangerously. We went from a president and Reagan, you know, you had Bush, whatever, who loved America to you know what? Now I just want to enjoy myself, be happy. I'm a hippie. Bill Clinton. And then now we are going through a cycle of presidents, save for the four years of Trump.

00:55:06:06 - 00:55:38:08

Keith Malinak

But I'm just talking about the eight years of Obama. And right now under Joe Biden, we are now being governed by people who openly want to, if not change America outright, destroy it, and in Biden's brain notwithstanding, just take that aside. The people that are pulling the strings, the people that put the stuff into his teleprompter, the people that put executive orders in front of the man and say, sign here, we're no longer dealing with it.

00:55:38:08 - 00:56:12:17

Keith Malinak

So in our lifetime, you and me, we've gone from a president that loved this country to four years and one day later to a president that just wanted, you know, smoke weed and hang out with babes and whatever to now we are going to our children are are living through a time where the leaders of this country want our way of life, want our way of life, destroy it.

00:56:13:01 - 00:56:39:17

Keith Malinak

Yeah, I you cannot convince me that every decision that is made in that White House is made to lower our quality of life, saddle our kids with debt that they know is never going to be repaid. That's not the point. It's meant to make us a weaker and murdered pendant, first on this government and then on the rest of the world.

00:56:40:05 - 00:57:14:01

Keith Malinak

And it's just so sad to think that we have in so many ways, if you want to go back, I mean, you could you could go back to just really any policy in the last I don't know, I'd say 75 years anyway. We were always trying to build. If it wasn't after World War Two, we were always trying to build up the rest of the world, bring them up to our level.

00:57:14:04 - 00:57:34:05

Keith Malinak

But no, we turn on a dime in the last 15 years now and now it's now we're going to we're going to bring us down to the rest of the world. Well, that does a disservice to not only us, but the rest of the world. And it's it's so you're talking about the things that we debate in this country now.

00:57:34:05 - 00:57:39:12

Keith Malinak

I mean, can you imagine this is this is a and then I'll shut up because this is this is I got it.

00:57:39:22 - 00:57:40:10

Wayne Mulder

It's true.

00:57:40:19 - 00:58:03:07

Keith Malinak

Check this out. I remember when right before 911, it was the summer of 2001. And George Bush was was trying to pass his tax cuts. I remember that. And everybody was going to rush out to their mailboxes and get a check waiting for him and stuff the rebate from the previous year's taxes under the new tax percentage breakdown.

00:58:04:15 - 00:58:33:02

Keith Malinak

And I remember the Democrats were really pushing back on that and I thought, I cannot believe that we are wasting time debating. Who doesn't want a tax cut? Who does it? Okay, now we're 20 years removed from that and I would kill to have an argument over how big a tax rebate should be. Instead, we are in a nation that, remember, has had now ten years.

00:58:34:02 - 00:59:03:00

Keith Malinak

Thank God for the Trump years, but ten years almost uninterrupted of of destruction and in trying to destroy our kids through this gender bull crap, you name it, I mean, it's just they have found so many ways to destroy our kids. If it's not through mask mandates or remote learning or shutting down childhood and saying, you can't go here, and this is because this camp is closed, you don't get to enjoy your summer.

00:59:03:00 - 00:59:25:21

Keith Malinak

No, you can't go here unless you're vaccinated. Now, with what gender do you think you are? Oh, and you're white. Oh, then you do suck. I would love to debate tax cuts, but no. Instead we're just trying to keep our kids from literally going insane in this world as they learn absolutely no life skills whatsoever unless you take it upon yourself.

00:59:25:21 - 00:59:45:13

Keith Malinak

And that is your job as a parent, I am terrified. So I'm just saying that we've gone. So we've had our happy go lucky childhood, which, if you'll recall, was in the middle of the Cold War. Right. But it was still we knew that our president had our best interests and our leaders were doing what it took to protect us.

00:59:45:13 - 01:00:14:07

Keith Malinak

I don't need you to protect me on what I'm allowed to eat. I need you to protect me from a missile coming in from the Soviet Union. Exactly. We went from that to we're arguing over tax cuts to now we're arguing over what's a woman. And I sit back and I go, Dear God, heaven, 20 years from now, I cannot even begin to imagine what we're going to be debating as a nation if we're even a nation at that point.

01:00:14:22 - 01:00:35:13

Wayne Mulder

Yeah, no, it's as a kid. I mean, it was literally all I was worried about was, you know, what the commies were going to do. You know, that was the one thing in the eighties and it was the eighties. So you had Rambo and you had all this stuff. You were so you knew America was going to kick their but to, you know, it was kind of like the only thing I worried about was them.

01:00:35:13 - 01:00:42:15

Wayne Mulder

But you always had this mindset, like a Red Dawn mindset. At least I did. You know, it's like, Oh, bro, like, they're coming and I'm going, you know.

01:00:42:24 - 01:01:01:20

Keith Malinak

I can't run fifth grade me and I don't know, six or eight other guys in the class. We would take, we take notebook paper, right. And we would fold. It would take about. I don't ten sheets or so we fold it I've never talked about was it's so funny and we'd staple staples stable and make little books right.

01:01:02:01 - 01:01:14:13

Keith Malinak

Yep. And we were, we would write stories and we were the heroes of fighting war, you know? And slowly but surely, you know, we die off until, you know, one or two of us are loved.

01:01:14:13 - 01:01:17:06

Wayne Mulder

At the end and tell the story, right, to tell somebody if you're going.

01:01:17:06 - 01:01:40:09

Keith Malinak

To commies when they came to Cobb County, Georgia, looking for a fight. So Red Dawn. Absolutely. But now these kids are getting together like so you a boy or a girl? Are they all? Did you hear about that family friendly drag show? Oh, you're in it. I mean, I swear the nation doesn't survive this kind of mentality. It just does not.

01:01:40:17 - 01:01:56:13

Wayne Mulder

And if they write the book, book to defeat and save defeat the commies and save America, the cops are going to be knocking on their door because they're talking about violence. And, you know, next thing you know, they're on a list somewhere and some day they're not going to be able to even buy a firearm.

01:01:57:06 - 01:01:58:03

Keith Malinak

It's madness.

01:01:58:19 - 01:01:59:11

Wayne Mulder

It truly is.

01:01:59:14 - 01:02:01:05

Keith Malinak

It is. Do we get how do.

01:02:01:05 - 01:02:18:22

Wayne Mulder

We get here, Keith? How is it just a naivete? Is it just a because we used to talk about the silent majority and, you know, you had this group of people that one day we're going to wake up and and I'm not so sure those people exist, A and then B well, I mean, how how did we get here, in your opinion?

01:02:19:11 - 01:02:59:08

Keith Malinak

How did we get here? Well, let me think here. I would say that one way we did get here is a complete reliance on someone other than ourselves. And what I mean by that is government. We decided as a nation that we were going to rely less on God and more on the government as our God. And I mean this, this this that's been an insidious thing for over 100 years of progressivism and.

01:02:59:08 - 01:03:42:15

Keith Malinak

Woodrow Wilson. No, I mean, let's let's let's figure out how we can replace God now. And it's been very effective and we also got here because we're lazy, because there have been so many generations before us that tilled that ground from the Revolutionary War. I mean, just the descriptions of of that war, I mean, they could have lived a comfortable enough life as royals subjects, but they're like, no, no, I'm an American and we're going to do things differently around here.

01:03:42:15 - 01:04:13:24

Keith Malinak

So those generations and their strengths and what they did is this is this holds true from the revolutionary War through the World War two generation. They knew there was something bigger than them. And by that I mean they knew that they were fighting for God given freedoms. You can't today even broach that subject because so many people are leaving.

01:04:13:24 - 01:04:38:06

Keith Malinak

Believe in God. So how am I defending a right from God when I've been conditioned for over a century that government is my God? So therefore, if my rights are coming from something up on high, it's got to be the government, right? Yeah. So then you try to just you try to explain to them natural law, they're not going to go with you on God.

01:04:38:06 - 01:05:15:12

Keith Malinak

Then let's talk about natural law and make a mama bear's right to defend her cubs. Right. So you try that angle, but there is no room for intellectual conversation in this country because we've been purposefully dumbed down by our education system. We've had God stripped down and replaced with government and oh, my gosh, there was a it was de Tocqueville, I think, who wrote about how you can literally go into any shop in America, get this get this guy.

01:05:15:18 - 01:05:40:02

Keith Malinak

This guy was saying, you can go into any shop in America and talk about the Constitution with people you want. Yeah. Have you have you have you talk to anybody on the street about the Constitution in a while. When's the last time you were like man that the I don't think what they're doing in D.C. is constitutional. What do you think they'll look at you like, bro?

01:05:40:14 - 01:06:04:21

Keith Malinak

What language are you speaking? Right. Well, and it's I just I mean, honestly, you so you say, how did we get here? I think it's just been a war of mental attrition through so many fronts in our society. It probably probably peaked i in our I it say I just don't know that I don't know that you get that back.

01:06:05:09 - 01:06:07:12

Wayne Mulder

Well, that was going to be the following question.

01:06:07:16 - 01:06:35:18

Keith Malinak

That question is easier to answer then how did we get here? I'm sorry. It's easier to explain how we get here. Then how do we get back? Because, man, it's like I feel like at this point you turn around, it's not just turning around. It's like turning around and shooting your way out literally and figuratively. I think every door behind us is practically closed at this point, and I just man, I don't I don't have high hopes.

01:06:36:10 - 01:06:38:00

Keith Malinak

Yeah, I'm just being honest.

01:06:38:01 - 01:06:54:24

Wayne Mulder

No, I'm with you. And that's why I was curious what your thoughts on at work because I it's something that weighs on me quite heavily and I have had similar thoughts and I know there's some out there that are like, well, you know, with a revival, maybe there's a chance or you know, you hear things like convention of states, maybe that could slow down some of the federal government stuff.

01:06:54:24 - 01:07:02:01

Wayne Mulder

And, you know, a lot of these things are good, but it is a good question as to how do we get back and can we get back.

01:07:04:20 - 01:07:17:21

Keith Malinak

Okay. So Dr. Strange found one one way out that. Yeah, okay. You know, so there's one I don't know, I don't know where it exists, but there's one way out of.

01:07:18:12 - 01:07:20:21

Wayne Mulder

Somewhere in the mall. Doctor, we will find the one that.

01:07:20:22 - 01:07:55:03

Keith Malinak

Will find there is a timeline out there where it gets better. I like that. I will say that I do not and I want to make this very clear. I don't put hope into politicians, just the end. They do feel some hope that someone like a Ron DeSantis obviously does exist out there who respects the Constitution, who talks about God, who talks about the greatness of America.

01:07:55:12 - 01:08:22:17

Keith Malinak

Those people are obviously still out there. There are few and far between. But when you find somebody such as your friend who's running for sheriff, you got to support these people because if they don't get support vocal, loud support and people sticking up for them, then then they're done before the election. I mean, they're like, I'm going to see before the next election cycle.

01:08:23:06 - 01:08:44:12

Keith Malinak

But the reason I stopped myself was because you got to get them elected to begin with. You can't just you know, they don't just drop that role, okay? That's not how we do things. We don't find votes in the middle of the night. So you've actually got you've got to find these people and support them. And it's tough, man.

01:08:44:16 - 01:09:08:05

Keith Malinak

It's really tough. And I don't think there's an easy answer. And if I do come up with one, I'll be sure to let you know. Absolutely. You know, when you find a place that is freedom loving, such as like a Wyoming that you talked about, I think you've got to defend these places, you know, insulate.

01:09:08:05 - 01:09:08:12

Wayne Mulder

Them.

01:09:08:22 - 01:09:29:12

Keith Malinak

Somehow. And I don't have I do not have all the answers. I'm not sitting here like, oh, I'm so smart. I'm literally just taking this stuff on the fly. You've got to just defend these places state by state, city by city. You know, put good people into local office because they're the ones that are going to affect your life more than anything.

01:09:30:01 - 01:09:54:00

Wayne Mulder

Yeah. All right. I agree with that a lot. In fact, not that I keep mentioning name, but he was just talking about these things a couple of weeks ago. Steve Davis was talking on his show where he was saying, if you're in some of these states, it's a lost cause. You know, why are you still hanging out in New York why are you still get your butt to Florida where we actually can, like, override some of these numbers or, you know, be a political refugee and head to Wyoming, you know, whatever it is.

01:09:54:02 - 01:09:54:11

Wayne Mulder

Yeah.

01:09:54:15 - 01:10:16:22

Keith Malinak

Yeah. And there's there has been a few, as weird as it is. Here's here's I don't know that there's this hope, but at least it sounds good. This is actually some good things came out of COVID. You know, you got the parents realizing that children were being their children were being stolen right out from under them by their teachers.

01:10:17:16 - 01:10:51:00

Keith Malinak

So when you had the kids on lockdown at home, remote learning and the parents like what was that that I just heard? So that was one good thing. Another good thing is that people realized and companies realized, wait a minute, they don't need to come into the office, you know, and the next thing you know, I know so many people I've talked to, many of them have been guests on my podcast where they specifically said, Yeah, I realized I didn't need to stay living in New York.

01:10:51:12 - 01:11:39:07

Keith Malinak

I moved to Florida. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. I used to go to the city every day. New York City. Now I work remote from Florida. Oh, now I've moved to Texas and I still work for the same company, but I was able to move. So that is fascinating because these are obviously people who appreciate personal and even if it's just financially, even if your brain is wired to I don't want to pay a state income tax, you know whatever got your whatever moved you out of a blue state in the northeast or out of California into a state like Steve Davis is referring to in bolstering these red states and understand that these states are

01:11:39:07 - 01:11:41:09

Keith Malinak

barely red. Yeah, they are.

01:11:41:09 - 01:11:43:20

Wayne Mulder

So look at Texas right now.

01:11:44:06 - 01:12:18:20

Keith Malinak

Texas and then in Florida. I mean, that that election between was Andrew Yeah, right. And Ron DeSantis. I mean, that was close and I don't know that I've said this publicly, but I've had this thought Ron DeSantis would not be the governor today if not for the debacle. That was the 2000 presidential election because Florida was the first state to go, Oh my gosh, our election system is messed up here.

01:12:18:20 - 01:12:38:06

Keith Malinak

And this hanging chad bull crap, we got to lock this thing down. Right? We got to figure it out. We got to streamline it. We got to make sure that it's on the level and that I am convinced and I don't know how you can find empirical data. I think that them fixing because they were ahead of everybody else on fixing their elections and making them more secure.

01:12:39:04 - 01:13:20:06

Keith Malinak

That is what enabled DeSantis to win legitimately in 2018, other states where they didn't have this chaos. Because you got to remember, George Soros wasn't doing his East or West project as secretary of State project until it was around the time Obama was elected. He started that thing going. So now states that have these George Soros backed secretaries of state who have these elections and manipulated them in their own special is these are the states that are swing states that are blue.

01:13:20:06 - 01:13:46:23

Keith Malinak

And if you look at the states that that there's still a fighting chance of of winning these elections, they have done maybe not everything they need to do to lock down their elections, but they've done enough. Right. And in fact, I mean, that's why they were screaming at Georgia. Screaming at Texas, because, oh, my gosh, they're going to be like Florida.

01:13:46:23 - 01:14:11:05

Keith Malinak

They're going to you know, we have legitimate we've got to have ways to affect outcomes of elections. And if these states, Georgia, get in line or we're taking your all star, they didn't get in line. Okay. Well, then we're going to see how elections in Texas. And I think they've left Texas alone for the most part, because it's just too it's too big.

01:14:11:06 - 01:14:31:23

Keith Malinak

Oh, what are you going to do? I mean, you know what I mean, right? Yeah, I don't know. And I just think that I cannot wait for this election cycle. I don't know you're going to post this, but I think that I think it's going to be interesting to see the states that did clean up their election process.

01:14:32:18 - 01:14:53:05

Keith Malinak

I think it's going to be okay. But I think Florida man, I think Florida. That's what tipped off Soros like, oh, my gosh, I got to do something about the secretaries of state. That's where the power is in these states. Look at Florida. I mean, that that's where this thing is. So anyway, no, DeSantis is governor, if not for the debacle in the year 2000 with Bush and Gore.

01:14:53:16 - 01:15:05:10

Wayne Mulder

That's really interesting. Yeah. And I, I, I would agree with that logic. It makes a lot of sense. At some point you actually get a degree in journalism. You just kind of want to start there and kind of walk into what you do now.

01:15:06:12 - 01:15:28:21

Keith Malinak

So it actually started. I fell in love with radio when I was eight years old, actually, I, I had a friend and then I didn't meet him too. I was ten though, so when I was about eight years old, I decided I want to be a sports announcer and and so my mom put this little tiny black and white TV in my room that I could watch.

01:15:29:17 - 01:15:45:15

Keith Malinak

I could watch the Braves games on Channel 17 and Atlanta. And so she would sweetheart, she would sit in the living room and watch the Braves with the sound down, and I'd be back there talking on a little walkie talkie, announcing the game. And she would she would have me as the play by play for the Braves games.

01:15:45:16 - 01:16:09:16

Keith Malinak

It was it was really special. So but I met a guy in my neighborhood when was ten, Alan Casey. And he and I, he was a total nerd. And I mean that with all affection in the world, he would experiment is basically was stuff. And so he and I started adding some power to our walkie talkies and seeing how far we could broadcast.

01:16:09:16 - 01:16:31:24

Keith Malinak

And I lived in the highest, the highest point of the neighborhood for the most part. And so that we had to use this the base to transmit anyway. And so we would just do experiments like that. I would just I fell in love with radio and then I started volunteering at my church's radio station. Like I told the guy who ran the station, I said, I want to work here, you know, whatever.

01:16:32:07 - 01:16:56:09

Keith Malinak

Anyway, he said, So the day that you turn 60, you know, come back and see me. And that was like two years out in the future and so I literally showed up on my birthday and and I started volunteering there. I decided to go to the university in Nebraska and get a degree there, you know, had a college radio show and still wanted to do sports broadcasting.

01:16:56:09 - 01:17:23:01

Keith Malinak

However, however, I will say that I was involved in since age 12 because the Atlanta Falcons used to always get blacked out in Atlanta, and so they weren't on TV and I'd have to listen to them on the radio. And I remember one day it was a teacher workday or whatever, but it was like a monday. It was the day after the Falcons and the station that the Falcons were on that radio.

01:17:23:01 - 01:17:57:21

Keith Malinak

When I came home early from school that day, I turned it on and here was this guy that I never heard before, and I'm like, Hey, I want to I'm enjoying this. I'm going, keep listening, you know? And it was Rush Limbaugh. And so I, I, I listen to talk radio every day from that point forward. Yeah. And I fell in love with, with just conservative radio and politics of it and everything because this was and I said it 1988.

01:17:57:21 - 01:18:28:23

Keith Malinak

No, no, no. It was 1990. 1990. I'm sorry, I must have been 14. Yeah. Anyway, so my point is I, I still wonder and when I went to college, I wanted to be in and in sports broadcasting, wanted to be an NHL announcer. I wanted to do that. And then I realized, you know, it was really hard to pronounce all these Russian last names on the flying weather, pucks moving down the ice so fast.

01:18:29:07 - 01:19:03:12

Keith Malinak

So then I thought, you know, maybe football or something like that. But in college, you know, the more and more I do just, you know, I kept getting drawn back into politics. So anyway, I, I did some producing for a talk show while I was in college for a local talk station in Lincoln. And then when I got out of college, moved to Atlanta and wanted to, I mean I knew what show I wanted to produce before I even worked at this station in Atlanta.

01:19:04:11 - 01:19:33:04

Keith Malinak

And and I worked my way into. That station is, you know, people say it's who you know. And and that's such a copout, I think, because while it is true, it is who you know, if you know people and you make a bad impression or you're not a good worker or you know, you're a jerk or whatever, then who, you know, has the exact opposite effect on you and your career trajectory.

01:19:33:16 - 01:20:02:17

Keith Malinak

So anyway, I got in at the radio station in Atlanta and and timing is everything. Right? As I was working, I just started there and I was going to start doing work for like a high school football score show and or scoreboard show. And the guy the the morning board up, see everything is so automated now, man, and you can't get your start the way I did.

01:20:02:17 - 01:20:22:21

Keith Malinak

And that sucks and I hate this for people where you can make all sorts of mistakes running the board overnight, because that's what I did, because the overnight guy who ran the board during coast to coast, Eminem and Art Bell, they put him on the morning show because the morning show guy was going in for back surgery. So you got this guy who's hungry and goes and fills in the overnight spot.

01:20:23:04 - 01:20:40:23

Keith Malinak

So when the guy comes back from the back surgery and everything goes back the way it was, well, I'm odd man out. Obviously they found a spot for me because over that I don't know six weeks of going in or whatever it was, they were like, Hey, you know, how about this talk show thing? You know, there's the opening over there.

01:20:40:23 - 01:20:45:14

Keith Malinak

And that was the show that I had originally wanted to be a part of the longest time. Anyway, that's.

01:20:45:14 - 01:20:45:24

Wayne Mulder

Awesome.

01:20:46:05 - 01:21:16:06

Keith Malinak

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I had a great time producing that show and I there's so many how do I say this? There's so many weird connections that you got to think that there's a larger hand at play here because there's just. There's just too much. There's no such thing as coincidences, man. And so the guy who hired me in Atlanta ended up getting transferred to Houston.

01:21:17:22 - 01:21:39:04

Keith Malinak

It's just so funny as as I think this on the fly, man. And so so so the show that I produced in Atlanta was Ian Punnett. And Ian, you might be familiar with him. He does some coast to coast AM fill in stuff anyway. So so I had a blast working on Ian's show because that's what I wanted to do from the start.

01:21:39:16 - 01:22:00:22

Keith Malinak

And then when my boss, Ken Charles, gets transferred to Houston, he brings me with him. Well, I end up producing an afternoon show. Trust me, kids, it's a lot more fun working afternoons in the mornings because you get a little bit more sleep under your belt. But then I get out there and within two months I think the morning show guy's producer quit.

01:22:01:09 - 01:22:23:04

Keith Malinak

And so then I go and fill in that role. And you may have heard of him. The guy who produced and hosted that morning show was Pat Gray and so it's just been so wild. But Houston is not a place to raise a family man. So we hightailed it to Omaha without a job, which is not a good plan.

01:22:23:04 - 01:22:23:15

Keith Malinak

Kids.

01:22:24:00 - 01:22:24:10

Wayne Mulder

Right?

01:22:24:19 - 01:22:27:04

Keith Malinak

Yeah, yeah. Don't, don't, don't do that.

01:22:28:08 - 01:22:30:23

Wayne Mulder

Did you have a family at this point kids and.

01:22:30:24 - 01:22:57:07

Keith Malinak

Yeah, yeah. Okay. I'm married with one kid at that point. Yeah. And the move to Omaha. Don't do that. Yeah, yeah. Don't do that, kids. So I a couple of part time jobs up there in Omaha but then something opened up. I applied, I counted. It was over 200 jobs before and hardly any nibbles. MAN So this is 2004 and ended up in Charleston, South Carolina, where I worked for five years.

01:22:57:07 - 01:23:21:06

Keith Malinak

And then and then a guy named Glenn Beck you may have heard of was expanding his staff. And so so Pat put in a good word for me. It turned out that Glenn's agent was the same as Ian's agent back in Atlanta. That is.

01:23:21:06 - 01:23:21:20

Wayne Mulder

Awesome.

01:23:22:00 - 01:23:48:04

Keith Malinak

Yeah, there was another connection here under pressure that I'm forgetting, and I hate it. There are three weird, you know, things kind of working in in tandem there. Oh, and I forgot to mention that when I applied for that job in Charleston, the guy who hired me in Charleston, one of my references was Ian, if you recall, from Atlanta.

01:23:48:11 - 01:24:08:20

Keith Malinak

Right. Anyway, when Ian had been in Nashville, the guy who hired me was, a big fan of Ian's, and so he's like, Dude, when my idol was on my voicemail talking about how great you were, it's like, there's no chance I wasn't going to hire you, you know? So anyway, it was it's kind of cool, but I don't know if that says anything.

01:24:09:15 - 01:24:15:18

Keith Malinak

Maybe it's less divine intervention, and maybe it's just that radio is so incestuous. Could it be that.

01:24:15:24 - 01:24:20:03

Wayne Mulder

That that is a theory like the first one. No. Better. Yeah, you're.

01:24:20:03 - 01:24:35:10

Keith Malinak

Like the first. You stick to that one. No, but now it's a small world man. So go back to my original point anyway. So I know working for Glenn, obviously he moved to Dallas and has his own show now and just small world.

01:24:35:14 - 01:24:40:15

Wayne Mulder

And just so the listeners know, you you produce producer by getting that correct background.

01:24:41:03 - 01:24:42:17

Keith Malinak

Produce pedigree on the show which.

01:24:42:17 - 01:24:44:23

Wayne Mulder

Is 7:00 Eastern.

01:24:45:09 - 01:25:21:03

Keith Malinak

Nine Eastern, precedes Glenn Beck on The Blaze Radio and TV Network. You can listen to it on iHeart and. Download the podcast wherever Pat Gray unleashed. I started to say, You're going to make impressions on people throughout your life. You know? And if you make bad impressions, then your name may come up somewhere along the lines and then we're like, Oh, okay, yeah, I'm not I'm not going to return call for a reference or I'm not going to and you know, I'm saying like it it works both ways.

01:25:21:03 - 01:25:47:24

Keith Malinak

It also so so yeah, it is who you know. But be careful and make an impression make a good impression all along the way. And if you're trying to get in this business. This is the thing, though. So while I say I wish that there were opportunities for people to work the board on radio stations overnight and make mistakes and experiment and know as long as you get back on the course because I am on time, you know, then no one's going to jump down your throat.

01:25:48:10 - 01:26:11:08

Keith Malinak

But at the same time that those opportunities aren't available in mass the way they used to be. Yeah, there are opportunities that didn't exist back then. I, as a 12 year old, literally living in my parents basement, would have killed to be able to make a podcast. Yeah.

01:26:11:17 - 01:26:12:13

Wayne Mulder

For you to be both.

01:26:12:16 - 01:26:14:22

Keith Malinak

Here for the world to hear it. Right, right.

01:26:14:24 - 01:26:21:06

Wayne Mulder

And I was just doing recorded tapes. I was doing the little, you know, hit record and yeah, that was oh my God, was doing then.

01:26:21:18 - 01:26:25:15

Keith Malinak

Yeah, yeah, I, I got it. Boy, I hope those tapes have been burned.

01:26:25:21 - 01:26:29:17

Wayne Mulder

Yeah, but I tried to sing on a couple of them, and Lord knows nobody wants to hear that.

01:26:30:00 - 01:26:59:22

Keith Malinak

Yeah, yeah So I would make these shows and then bless her heart, my mom would listen to them, you know, driving to work or whatever and, and kind of critique them for me and, you know, I mean, I literally I had like three stereos there and all this stuff. And anyway, what I did is I ran. You could buy these Radio Shack kits, you know, and you could do these little experiments, you know, and you would make a light bulb, you make an alarm, you would make a little mix radio station, right?

01:27:00:01 - 01:27:00:19

Wayne Mulder

I had one.

01:27:01:03 - 01:27:30:15

Keith Malinak

Okay. So I would make the I would buy it. I would make the radio station. That's literally all I would use it for. I would never undo it to make up, you know, a light fall go off or whatever. And so what you would do is you would increase the power by hooking it up to like a lantern battery or a car battery or something like that and then you'd run wire it because I literally my, my ceiling was just tiles, you know, and you'd run that around the house and then you'd have radio station everywhere.

01:27:30:22 - 01:27:52:22

Keith Malinak

And then I got then, then I started to venture out and then I would do it a long, long the house. Hopefully my stepdad wouldn't see the one hour out there and then you would try to increase your reach. Right. So I haven't we haven't discussed how injury prone I am and accident prone I am. But and I'll make this quick, but this is worth telling.

01:27:53:13 - 01:27:55:19

Wayne Mulder

So you all the time in the world going.

01:27:56:04 - 01:28:19:00

Keith Malinak

Yeah, okay. So I'm in high school of 10th grade I think, and there was a TV repairman at my grandparents house and had gone to lunch and I was at my grandparents that day for some reason. And, and they had that huge TV in the living room, old school, you know, and the back was off of it. And it was unplugged.

01:28:19:00 - 01:28:25:02

Keith Malinak

And I saw that it was unplugged and it had these suction cups, you know, on the back of the of the glass tube there.

01:28:25:06 - 01:28:25:16

Wayne Mulder

Yeah.

01:28:25:22 - 01:28:57:23

Keith Malinak

And I thought, oh, that's kind of cool. Suction cup action. So I went to pull one of them off. Anyway, I came to I'm not kidding, I came to on the other side of the room and, and what stopped me was up against the, the, the front of the couch. And I remember opening my eyes and, and knowing that I was over there and now I'm over here and I look, my grandmother was cooking lunch or something in there and I could see because there was like an opening there where she was cooking.

01:28:57:23 - 01:29:23:00

Keith Malinak

And I just looked over and I was like, Did she just see me fly across the room? Colter Guy style. And she didn't apparently. Anyway, so I should have died, probably. But anyway, so about that time, that same summer, I think it was, and I had been experiment with these radio stations so I would carry that radio station, me, you know, that little, little wooden box, know, take it to my grandparents and all that stuff.

01:29:24:01 - 01:29:57:03

Keith Malinak

And so I remember it wasn't long after the TV incident that I had that wire hanging out of the bedroom, inside the spare bedroom at my grandparents house. And I remember I climbed the ladder. I put my grandfather's thick leather gloves on. I climbed to the top of his ladder with that radio station wire, because my theory wing was that if I tapped in to that that electrical line, that's like now my antenna wire that normally I could just get it just a few feet on either side.

01:29:57:08 - 01:30:26:07

Keith Malinak

Right. I'm going to be nationwide, bro. This thing's going to blow up. Yes, I would love to do a podcast, but this was 1990 ish, 91, whatever. Yeah. So I remember standing on that ladder in the summer day, holding that wire, looking at that electrical line, going into the house and thinking back to that lesson I learned just a few weeks before that TV and I thought, this may not end well.

01:30:26:07 - 01:30:48:00

Keith Malinak

So I remember disappointed walking down that ladder, holding that wire, thinking, Man, I'll never know if that would have worked. That could be. They could hear me in Oregon right now if I would just connect this wire. Well, anyway, I find out later. I should have done that way. I have done that because that wire was not an electrical wire.

01:30:48:08 - 01:30:50:16

Keith Malinak

There's just a phone, phone, wire, telephone.

01:30:51:08 - 01:30:54:08

Wayne Mulder

And you would have been early like AM radio, you know, where they were.

01:30:54:08 - 01:30:58:04

Keith Malinak

Like, I should have done that. I would have been yeah, yeah. I would have been Christian Slater.

01:30:58:09 - 01:30:59:18

Wayne Mulder

Exactly. The whole world.

01:31:00:06 - 01:31:18:07

Keith Malinak

On pump up the volume. That's that's how close I was. But instead I was down I came down the ladder thinking I had made a smart decision and only to find out later standing there telling my grandfather about Solomon as I was sitting in the telephone line going in there, and that whole line was that line.

01:31:19:11 - 01:31:20:23

Wayne Mulder

So I wouldn't have died.

01:31:21:08 - 01:31:28:02

Keith Malinak

I wouldn't have died. And I and I never you know, I never went back to experiment to see if I had missed out, man.

01:31:28:20 - 01:31:29:16

Wayne Mulder

But here you are.

01:31:29:23 - 01:31:30:14

Keith Malinak

You're. I'm still.

01:31:30:14 - 01:31:31:17

Wayne Mulder

Alive. You're still.

01:31:31:17 - 01:31:44:16

Keith Malinak

Alive. Accident prone and honestly, do I break electronics? Like, if I'm just if I'm in the same zip code as something electronic, that's one reason I'm surprised at this. This. This is held steady here in this connection.

01:31:44:16 - 01:31:50:08

Wayne Mulder

I may have noticed the MC arm this morning, but they had the boom. I'm just saying. Go on.

01:31:51:00 - 01:31:57:17

Keith Malinak

Yeah, yeah. What he's referring to, if you go back, you'll see that I may have broken a microphone or.

01:31:58:00 - 01:32:01:21

Wayne Mulder

Yeah, there may have been images of Keith standing there, like holding the mic before the break, like.

01:32:02:12 - 01:32:18:21

Keith Malinak

When that happened to I'm looking up at the clock and it's 22 after. I'm like, I've got to hold this thing in my lap for eight more minute before we go to break anyway. But, but so like if I wear a watch or, or, you know, I'm notorious for cell phones not working after a short period of time.

01:32:19:07 - 01:32:26:10

Keith Malinak

I wonder if it goes back that I just absorb like all this electricity from that TV. Is it running through me now?

01:32:27:09 - 01:32:45:21

Wayne Mulder

I didn't learn my lessons with electricity that way, but I was in the landscaping for years before I became a cop. Long story for a different podcast, but my first lesson was learning what wasn't low voltage wiring because I was on my knees in the snow thinking it was low voltage wiring. Oh no. Didn't do that roof twice, right.

01:32:45:21 - 01:33:06:08

Wayne Mulder

Similar to your poltergeist moment. And then the second time was in a bobcat. It was actually a skid steer because it was New Holland, but same thing. And cutting through the backyard, they were off by about five foot where the power line main was going through the ground. Fortunately, rubber tires on that machine. So I'm here to talk to you about it.

01:33:06:08 - 01:33:10:13

Wayne Mulder

So, yeah, I've had a few lessons as well. The power of electricity.

01:33:11:07 - 01:33:13:11

Keith Malinak

But see, but see now you and.

01:33:13:11 - 01:33:44:10

Keith Malinak

I had these happen like you were working, so I was experimenting, you know? Yeah. Here's this more noble than me. But you know what? We weren't doing? We weren't cooking chicken and NyQuil. We weren't taking risks like that. We weren't eating tide pods. Okay? We weren't doing stupid stuff for clicks. Okay. We were I just this is the Idiocracy ride that we're on, man.

01:33:44:10 - 01:33:57:02

Wayne Mulder

You're right. The chicken, the NyQuil, one that gets me. I'm not even sure who wakes up one day. It's like, this seems like a good idea. I think maybe Jeff. But besides him, I don't know who wakes up one day and says this may be a good idea.

01:33:57:10 - 01:34:10:12

Keith Malinak

No, you know, let me I have I don't know if I I don't know I don't know if my story made sense there. You know, it's just it's been it's been a ride. It's and it's been very little sleep along the way, I'll say.

01:34:11:05 - 01:34:15:12

Wayne Mulder

I'm sure. So you how early are you in the studio. Just our curiosity. You've got to get there probably.

01:34:15:17 - 01:34:19:21

Keith Malinak

Gosh. Yeah. Oh, no, I wish.

01:34:19:21 - 01:34:22:21

Wayne Mulder

Oh, how? Because you do all you show up in the morning right?

01:34:22:21 - 01:34:52:23

Keith Malinak

Yeah. So I no, no I work on a 24 seven. Honestly, I'm constantly blowing up other producers emails with videos and images and stuff we need to talk about, but alarm is set for three. I barely make it that far, and if I'm not, if I'm not in the building by 4 a.m. if something's wrong. So anyway, but I, I typically yeah.

01:34:53:20 - 01:35:01:14

Keith Malinak

Honestly, I would love it if I could make it to my 3:00 alarm, but I just, I don't anymore. And it's, it's really a problem.

01:35:01:14 - 01:35:04:16

Wayne Mulder

Me So that's because we're getting older.

01:35:04:17 - 01:35:07:18

Keith Malinak

Keith Yeah.

01:35:07:23 - 01:35:17:00

Wayne Mulder

We've got to talk about real quick at the mic. So at some point you decide to start a podcast at the mic with Keith Mallin at which they can find it at the MicroConf.

01:35:17:00 - 01:35:57:18

Keith Malinak

Yeah, thank you. Yeah. I will say that talking about politics and the destruction of our way of life really is grating and. And it wears you out, man. It really does. So I tried to find this outlet where I didn't have to talk politics and I could just talk to people about their life story. In fact, knowing when this podcast will drop if people do go to at the MicroConf, this is breaking news for you and by then the people hopefully will know that coming up on the program is going to be legendary.

01:35:57:18 - 01:36:19:12

Keith Malinak

Sports announcer Vern Lundquist is going to join me and talk about his story. Now, I'm taking a risk here, man, because these are scheduled for next week. So if these fall through and people go to at the Mike Show comedy like where the heck those conversations that guy talked about what a liar. Brian KILMEADE from Fox and Friends is going to join me as well.

01:36:19:21 - 01:36:31:18

Keith Malinak

So these are those are two interviews that I'm going to be recording next week and posting in October. So they should be up there by the time this posts in November, correct?

01:36:31:18 - 01:36:32:21

Wayne Mulder

Yes. So so these are a.

01:36:32:21 - 01:36:56:19

Keith Malinak

Lot of great conversations on there. I encourage people to check it out because if they're fans of The Blaze, which is where, you know me from there's a conversation with Glenn Beck up there, there's a conversation with Chad Prather, Jeffy Pat Gray, if you're familiar with Hillary Kennedy from The Blaze. So there's a lot of personalities that people are already familiar with.

01:36:56:19 - 01:36:59:11

Keith Malinak

If you want to hear their life story at the mike show dot com.

01:36:59:20 - 01:37:17:05

Wayne Mulder

And I will say that's come one of the neat things about it besides just the whole concept of your show which is this whole everybody has a story thing but also being able to hear especially people like listen to some of the personalities. You really get to see them in a completely different light. Your very first episode, I believe, was with the illustrious Pat Gray.

01:37:17:14 - 01:37:26:10

Wayne Mulder

It was quite interesting listening to that and getting a completely different perspective and kind of his story and stuff, which is quite interesting.

01:37:26:20 - 01:37:38:16

Keith Malinak

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I appreciate you checking out and I hope other people will as well. But yeah, can I have a conversation with my kids coming up as well? I don't know. We'll see how it goes.

01:37:38:16 - 01:37:57:03

Wayne Mulder

I interviewed my son for a podcast and how old is he? So he's 20 so I did it from the perspective of growing up with a cop for a father. So I wanted to it was a Father's Day special. We did it last year and I wanted to know, Hey, son, you know, you grew up with your dad going into law enforcement when you were like ten years old, nine years old.

01:37:57:03 - 01:38:01:00

Wayne Mulder

What was that like? What were your fears, your thoughts, your aspirations, that kind of thing? So.

01:38:01:21 - 01:38:21:24

Keith Malinak

Man, I can't imagine a loved one like going off to war, going out into the streets, just that's all I would think about every day, every minute of every day until they walked back home to that door. And I would estimate that it was no different for your family as well.

01:38:22:11 - 01:38:30:15

Wayne Mulder

Absolutely. All right. Final to bless you guys. Final two questions I can get you out of here. What's next for your mission?

01:38:30:15 - 01:38:33:06

Keith Malinak

What's next for me? Yeah, well, now.

01:38:33:15 - 01:38:40:09

Wayne Mulder

What's next for your mission? What is what is Keith Melinek doing to make a difference in the world next?

01:38:40:09 - 01:38:49:17

Keith Malinak

Boy, that's a good question, man. I don't like hard questions. Probably not enough. Whatever it is, honestly.

01:38:49:17 - 01:38:51:08

Wayne Mulder

Do you ever get accused of being a pessimist, Keith?

01:38:51:18 - 01:39:43:23

Keith Malinak

No, no, no. Never had some. Never come up, ever. Just ask me. And it comes up like probably every other day in my life. One circle or another. Oh, man, you. No, just trying to keep your head above water and, you know, get off to Colorado as often as I can. And awesome. No, as far as making a difference, you know, I'm focused on my kids and I really it sounds trite but this world is light years different than it was just a few years ago and making sure that the they have what they need to be successful, that they have the ability to succeed or fail on their own.

01:39:43:23 - 01:40:23:22

Keith Malinak

That's important to me because I have three very different but very awesome young people in my care and they are slowly but surely going off into this world. And this world is absolutely terrifying on so many fronts. And like we talked about earlier in our conversation around the world from childhood, even though we were, you know, under threat of nuclear annihilation every day, it was a cakewalk compared to what they're going out every day and.

01:40:23:22 - 01:40:26:11

Wayne Mulder

The actual threat we're in in the last two weeks. But that's a different story.

01:40:27:22 - 01:40:46:00

Keith Malinak

Yeah. So anyway, I, I just want to make sure that, that they are equipped with everything they need to go out and, and be successful and, you know, that's my mission. My kids really, quite honestly.

01:40:46:11 - 01:41:06:24

Wayne Mulder

My last question that I ask everybody, which will tweak a little bit because it doesn't have to be specific to law enforcement, but this is your chance to leave a little ray of hope, right? So this is the positive part. So what is the one take away? The one thing that we all or law enforcement officers can do that will make a difference in our personal lives.

01:41:06:24 - 01:41:10:22

Wayne Mulder

So it's something actionable that we can do that's going to make a difference in our personal lives.

01:41:10:22 - 01:41:39:13

Keith Malinak

I was really disturbed by a video I saw recently of a female cop, and I think it was Washington State who made a 62nd Tik Tok video where she quite brusquely so rude. How she said, if I pull behind you, if I merge onto a road and I'm behind you, you need to get the F out of the way.

01:41:40:11 - 01:42:16:12

Keith Malinak

She said any cop can find something to pull you over for. Excuse me. That's not a way to earn trust in the community. And if you see the video, she she just says, get the F out of the way if I'm behind you. She says that half a dozen times and I know that I trust me. I know that that is not representative of your average law enforcement officer.

01:42:16:14 - 01:43:07:04

Keith Malinak

Absolutely. My father in law is a career police officer. I have enormous respect for this this this sacrifice of a job that you guys do. I'm very grateful for good cops that to reinforce something we talked about earlier that are literally what stands between us and complete chaos of of losing constitutional rights once and for all. And I would say my message is more it's not only to officers, but to just Americans.

01:43:07:04 - 01:43:40:04

Keith Malinak

And it kind of goes back to your friend running for sheriff in Douglas County, Colorado. Mr. HILL, when you have good people in those positions, you need to make sure that you tell them that they're appreciated, encourage them to to you know, I don't know if it bugs you guys or not, but like like you say we'll go to a Rangers game and we'll cross the road.

01:43:40:04 - 01:44:04:21

Keith Malinak

You know, anything that brings me in close proximity to an officer which hopefully it's something like that and not you know, although I do have a lead foot and I have had conversations that for you, but yeah, yeah. It's like oh, look, man, I officer, I know that 98% of the people you pull over at 330 in the morning, I, they're up to no good.

01:44:05:00 - 01:44:52:02

Keith Malinak

I promise you I'm going to work anyway. So. No, but but does it become just. I don't know. In one you're not out the other. When you say, hey, be safe, you know, stay safe, officer, whatever he's got to incur. And that's what I do. I mean, you know, just just tell them just because you have no idea what they have seen, you know, and and and I would imagine if you're a police officer, I would imagine that it would be very easy to just assume, especially in the last, you know, five, six years, to assume that everyone looks at you as the enemy and they're wrong.

01:44:53:19 - 01:44:56:21

Keith Malinak

Because we look at politicians, the enemy. Okay.

01:44:57:18 - 01:44:58:21

Wayne Mulder

Yes, let's be clear.

01:44:59:03 - 01:45:47:12

Keith Malinak

All right. So remember guys and gals with the badge and the gun, you're actually there to protect our rights that these people are seeking to destroy. I'm just saying, you know, you are that last line of defense and God bless the sheriff's on a local level like you talked about earlier that are standing in that breach. But I think as we I think as we continue to spiral out of control as a society, I would just encourage officers to really brush up on the Constitution, brush up on what is a lawful order and what isn't.

01:45:49:00 - 01:46:14:11

Keith Malinak

And if if if we promise to show you respect and you promise to show respect to our rights, I think because I'm telling you, man, the people at the top are always trying to divide us. If it's not class warfare. It's race warfare. It's not race warfare. It's let's separate by age, right? Like look who's taken all your stuff.

01:46:14:11 - 01:46:39:24

Keith Malinak

It's the old pit, you know, it's we are being divided on every front imaginable, every front imaginable. We need the good officers and the freedom loving Americans to realize that we both respect the rule of law and the Constitution. And let's realize that we are on the same side anyway. And I want you guys to stay safe out there.

01:46:40:14 - 01:46:56:02

Wayne Mulder

That's awesome. And thank you. And yeah, it truly is a social contract. And I think that young lady you were referring to was let go, which is good in that viral video. And it's sad. You know, that's a whole nother podcast. We could talk about what leads to someone thinking they ought to put that out on social media.

01:46:56:04 - 01:47:15:21

Wayne Mulder

But nonetheless, even though that was her feelings in the moment certainly doesn't represent everybody. So no, thank you, Keith and I do think, you know, the whole be safe thing becomes cliche. Even myself when I put on social media, I kind of feel like, you know, it it has that eyeroll feeling to it, but it's a little creative.

01:47:15:21 - 01:47:16:03

Keith Malinak

Yeah.

01:47:16:15 - 01:47:36:03

Wayne Mulder

Yeah. But but it's true, though. And there is to me, it's kind of a recognition that, hey, you know, there is a certain level of danger to you being out there and you have a target in a marked unit with, you know, your uniform and stuff on. And we certainly do want them to be safe. So, Keith, thank you so much for coming on the show.

01:47:36:03 - 01:47:37:07

Wayne Mulder

I really appreciate it.

01:47:37:23 - 01:47:43:13

Keith Malinak

Hey, thanks for having me. Appreciate it. Was a fun conversation. I'm sorry I talked so much, so.

01:47:43:13 - 01:47:45:12

Wayne Mulder

Not at all. Hopefully we could do it again someday.

01:47:45:21 - 01:47:49:23

Keith Malinak

Sounds good and thanks so much, but thanks.

01:47:51:03 - 01:48:08:01

Wayne Mulder

And that does it for this week's The Interview Room. I hope you really enjoyed it. Another great guest will be with us again next week. We have a great lineup for you here over the next few weeks and I'm through the rest of the year, so you're definitely not going to want to miss a single episode. We also have Morning Roll Call, which typically comes out on Monday mornings.

01:48:08:01 - 01:48:26:03

Wayne Mulder

However, I may change my mind. And who knows? It could come out different day of the week. But morning roll call, check that out as well. That's just me talking to you. And it gives us a few minutes to go over something, anything from news or something actionable that matters, hopefully to you. One last favor, please, please, please.

01:48:26:03 - 01:48:44:16

Wayne Mulder

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01:48:44:16 - 01:49:01:17

Wayne Mulder

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01:49:01:18 - 01:49:13:23

Wayne Mulder

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