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Jasmin Peach
Host of the Breaking The Stigma Podcast
Meet this Weeks Guest: Jasmin Peach
At the ripe age of 19 I joined the Police Academy. It had become a dream of mine to serve my state so you can only imagine the excitement when I found out that this dream was going to become a reality.
I completed my 12 months of training and graduated to the night club strip of South Australia. Oh man, did I have the time of my life! It was a dream come true. I had the blue family around me, I was fighting crime, stopping the bad guys.
I was the only female on my team, and golly gosh was it a good time. I was like the younger sister that they all protected. I was very lucky to have graduated to such an amazing team.
BUT that all changed in March of 2020... Our Organization decided that it was time for a state wide restructure, this meant that I was moved to a completely new team.
My Sergeant on this new team took an immediate liking to me, with close friends continually pointing out that I was the favorite. But what was I to do, he hadn't actually done anything... Yet.
Fast forward a few months and we had a work function. At this work function my supervisor continually pulled me in close to him, no matter how many times people pulled me away. There was no time where I didn't feel like I wasn't able to control the situation. Until he followed me into a room and pinned me down on the bed. Straddled over the top of me, I could not move.
After this incident I had 9 months of running away from myself, I turned to alcohol to self-medicate and used excessive exercise to feel physical pain so that I didn't have to deal with the mental pain that this incident had bought upon me. That upon other dysfunctional coping mechanisms made me become a person that I did not even recognize anymore.
One day at work I broke down, this is when I realized that I had become someone that I did not want to be. It was at this point that I finally got some help.
My journey led me to completing multiple mindset courses, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy course, becoming an NLP practitioner & coach to First Responders.
I will speak about my experience with hierarchy, mental health, dysfunctional coping mechanisms, dealing with Organizational disappointment & eventually leaving the job that I thought would be my forever.
My goal in life is to help people who are in a position that I was once in. I want to be the person that I needed.
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Vulnerability [There is a pattern here with the last three episodes!]
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Leaving Law Enforcement
Organizational Failures in Abuse Reporting
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00:00:02:14 - 00:00:32:22
Wayne Mulder
And welcome to another on the Blue Line podcast. I am your host Wayne Mulder, and I'm happy to be back with you again this week. And this is another interview room where I get to sit down with a guest from a different walk of life and tell you a little bit about their story. And I am sure you're going to love the guest this week.
00:00:32:22 - 00:00:51:37
Wayne Mulder
I know. I was just thinking about it seems like every time I tell you that it's another fabulous guest. An amazing guest, it's it almost sounds hyperbolic, but I am telling you, I have been privileged to sit down with some of the neatest people and have some of the neatest conversations. And then to get to deliver those to you each and every week, it's just really an amazing opportunity.
00:00:51:37 - 00:01:07:35
Wayne Mulder
So I hope you're enjoying it. I hope you're checking out the other podcast, Morning Roll Call, and that one, it comes out on Mondays. Typically that's just you and I sitting down and having a few minutes together to discuss whatever the news is of the day and to discuss maybe a few actionable things that we can do about it.
00:01:07:57 - 00:01:32:04
Wayne Mulder
If you haven't seen the e-book that I put out, how the law enforcement career makes you cynical, and of course, more importantly, what you can do about it, then please be sure to check that out. It is available only on Amazon Kindle and the links to that is on the website and on the Blue Line account. So without taking any more time, I want to tell you about this week's guest, Jasmine Peach, coming to us from the other side of the world, straight from Australia.
00:01:32:42 - 00:01:56:02
Wayne Mulder
She joined law enforcement at the age of 19, very young when she went through the academy and she found that this was her dream job. She loved it. She was fortunate to work on a great squad. She really loved what she got to do. And then things changed. She ended up on a different squad and then things really changed and a very tragic and unfortunate incident happened to her.
00:01:56:02 - 00:02:21:48
Wayne Mulder
And then the good news is, is that even when bad things happen, good things come out of it. So she speaks about her experience with mental health, dysfunctional coping mechanisms, dealing with organizational disappointment and eventually leaving the job that she thought was going to be her forever. However, what I really love is that her goal in life is to help people who are in the position that she was once in because she wants to be the person that she needed.
00:02:23:13 - 00:02:29:56
Wayne Mulder
Tell me that's not a pretty cool mission. So without taking any more time, here's this week's guest on the blue line with Jasmine Peach.
00:02:32:36 - 00:02:32:50
Jasmin Peach
And.
00:02:35:24 - 00:02:36:52
Wayne Mulder
Well, Jasmine, welcome to the show.
00:02:37:35 - 00:02:39:43
Jasmin Peach
Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited.
00:02:39:52 - 00:02:45:41
Wayne Mulder
Yeah, this is a blast. I am so glad we were able to connect and I think we're going to have a good time talking today.
00:02:45:41 - 00:02:46:40
Jasmin Peach
I mean.
00:02:47:00 - 00:02:57:25
Wayne Mulder
You had said you would listen to some of the other shows. So as you know, I have to do my get to know your questions. As I've said with previous guest, I threw them out once and then people complain. So now they're back. So.
00:02:58:04 - 00:02:58:15
Jasmin Peach
Well.
00:02:58:55 - 00:03:02:58
Wayne Mulder
Let's start with the hard one. Coffee or tea or coffee?
00:03:02:58 - 00:03:13:07
Jasmin Peach
Yeah, absolutely. 100% shift work. I relied on coffee. Yeah, very good. And tastes just like hot flavor. It's not for me.
00:03:13:07 - 00:03:21:18
Wayne Mulder
Yeah, well, I ask this question all the time. I mean, sometimes I do like tea, but everybody knows I am a strong coffee advocate as well. So.
00:03:21:19 - 00:03:29:13
Jasmin Peach
Yeah, yeah. No tea is not for me. It doesn't do anything. So definitely coffee. The stimulus. I need that to get through the days.
00:03:29:47 - 00:03:34:08
Wayne Mulder
You and me both. Yeah. Any particular place you like to have that cup of coffee?
00:03:35:38 - 00:03:54:57
Jasmin Peach
Oh, that's a hard one. Where I live, there's a few coffee shops nearby. Sorry. Yeah, generally, it's just. I'll go for a walk and find my. My local place or when I was in the place force, you know, a night shift at a B McDonald's because it's the only place open. So you take what you can get.
00:03:55:17 - 00:03:59:51
Wayne Mulder
Oh, yes. Many a gas station I became a regular at. I understand. Completely. Yeah.
00:04:00:21 - 00:04:06:48
Jasmin Peach
Yeah. And then corporate here and we couldn't even get coffee from anywhere because they were closed. So that was a hard time I'm sure.
00:04:06:48 - 00:04:20:15
Wayne Mulder
And I can imagine in Australia because you're just so the listeners know you're in Australia currently and yeah, that would be a different experience. So I live in Florida, so my experience during COVID was a lot different than what other people have had to go through. But yeah, I can imagine how difficult that was.
00:04:20:45 - 00:04:34:33
Jasmin Peach
Yeah, yeah, everything. Everything was locked down and nothing was open and we weren't allowed anywhere and no coffee and yeah. People running wild because I was sick of. Sick of it. It was. Yeah. Staying away. It was hard.
00:04:35:04 - 00:04:42:18
Wayne Mulder
I'm sure it was. Well, let me ask you, do you have a best or worst travel story?
00:04:42:18 - 00:05:03:05
Jasmin Peach
I yes, I do. So I was one on nightshift in Australia or in my station. We have five days off before we start nightshift. And I think the point of that is to prepare yourself, lots of sleeping patterns, all that kind of stuff. But my thought process was why not have a good time in that and those five days?
00:05:03:05 - 00:05:28:10
Jasmin Peach
So from Australia, Bali is a very close flight. So I used to on my days off, get my passport, a group of friends if I could, if not go by myself and travel over to Bali for five or four nights and then I'd catch the overnight flight back to Australia. I wouldn't sleep at all on the plane because it was so uncomfortable and then I'd sleep the whole day before I started Night Shift.
00:05:28:10 - 00:05:48:45
Jasmin Peach
So it was a really good way to transition into night shift. But one time I turned up to the airport and I gave them my passport and then escorted me off into this room. What's happening? Because all the fancy technology with passports, you know, usually you go straight through and this one, this this passport is lost. This isn't yours.
00:05:49:15 - 00:06:08:18
Jasmin Peach
What do you mean? And so anyway, a few years prior, I'd actually reported one of my passports lost because I couldn't find it. Got a new passport. I moved a lot. Lots of boxes, lots of packing. And so then in the interim, I found this passport. I thought it was my current one and going to the airport with this lost passport.
00:06:08:18 - 00:06:34:35
Jasmin Peach
So now I'm in a room with, you know, all of our Australian Federal Police interrogating me and I'm like, I can't have this, you know, I'm a police officer, you can't have this. So anyway, a few phone calls. I had my boyfriend come and drop my actual passport down and we're able to resolve it pretty quickly. But yeah, that was that was a bit of a nightmare because I just had no idea why I was in this interrogation room with our federal police.
00:06:34:35 - 00:06:36:21
Jasmin Peach
It was. Yeah, right.
00:06:36:21 - 00:06:39:46
Wayne Mulder
I could just imagine that would not be something I would want to go through.
00:06:40:17 - 00:06:49:26
Jasmin Peach
You know, I got some email and I yeah, I had a great time and, you know, got my overnight flight back and started my shift. So it all worked out in the end.
00:06:49:26 - 00:06:51:30
Wayne Mulder
Perfect. So the rest of the vacation was wonderful.
00:06:52:03 - 00:06:54:23
Jasmin Peach
Yes. Yes, it was perfect.
00:06:55:13 - 00:07:03:28
Wayne Mulder
So what is? And maybe it's Bali, but where is that place that brings you the most peace? Like that one spot where you can just kind of stop and breathe and enjoy life.
00:07:04:12 - 00:07:24:07
Jasmin Peach
Mhm. So it's anywhere near the beach I just love. So I live on the beach at the moment and I love that and most of the places that I visit will be around near a beach or, you know, just walking along the sand and having the sound of the ocean rolling in and the sand. And if they it just it's a lot of serenity.
00:07:24:07 - 00:07:28:04
Jasmin Peach
And I don't think I don't think you can get that anywhere else. Well, not for me anyway. So.
00:07:28:24 - 00:07:32:29
Wayne Mulder
Yeah. Now are you a surfer or anything or you just enjoy the ambiance of being around the beach?
00:07:33:19 - 00:07:36:39
Jasmin Peach
I wouldn't call myself a surfer. I try.
00:07:37:49 - 00:07:38:40
Wayne Mulder
I know the feeling.
00:07:40:00 - 00:07:47:18
Jasmin Peach
But I guess I get wiped out more than I actually stand up. So, you know, if you take that with a grain of salt, I guess it counts. Yeah.
00:07:48:00 - 00:07:50:49
Wayne Mulder
I'm going to say it counts because it's my story. So I'm with you.
00:07:50:49 - 00:07:52:52
Jasmin Peach
Yeah. Yeah. All right. Yes, I am.
00:07:53:24 - 00:08:09:27
Wayne Mulder
Yes, I love it. Well, thank you, Jasmin. So let's go in. Let's go cut into your origin story. You were quite young when you came to law enforcement. So what what kind of led you to wanting to go into law enforcement? What's kind of your back story?
00:08:10:04 - 00:08:31:21
Jasmin Peach
Yes. So I finished high school and like a typical person or finishes high school, I was directionless. I had no idea where I wanted to go. All I knew is that I didn't want to go to uni or college as it is in America and get some sort of debt. Because I was going to go into a course that I didn't really know what I wanted to do anyway.
00:08:32:15 - 00:08:48:01
Jasmin Peach
And I had a really good friend of mine who had been in the police force for years, and he used to sit me down and talk to me and he'd tell me all these really cool stories, you know, he'd go, Oh, the other night we got into this car chase and this guy started jumping fences, and I was after him.
00:08:48:01 - 00:09:10:28
Jasmin Peach
And then I'll tell you the rest when you become a cop and it always just got me. I was like, I just want to know the end of this story. Every time I get to the punchline, I never tell me. So anyway, I went to a recruiting seminar and then yeah, ended up joining at the ripe age of 19.
00:09:10:31 - 00:09:36:01
Jasmin Peach
So yeah, I was like the token young person. I don't know how it works in America. We have the academy, so in my course we had two young people, so me and another girl and did my 12 months there. And then I graduated to the night club straight out of South Australia. So kind of like wouldn't be like Las Vegas because that's, you know, that's big.
00:09:36:14 - 00:09:37:06
Wayne Mulder
It's Vegas, right?
00:09:37:51 - 00:09:50:25
Jasmin Peach
It's the relative to that. I'm probably a lot smaller, but still a lot of people that are induced with alcohol, drugs, sports, you know, vomit everywhere, you know, that kind of thing.
00:09:50:42 - 00:09:52:56
Wayne Mulder
All the fun stuff that comes with all the crazy partied.
00:09:53:31 - 00:09:54:46
Jasmin Peach
Yes. Correct. Yeah.
00:09:54:59 - 00:10:02:15
Wayne Mulder
So what? So your academy is 12 months then? Is that full time essentially 40 hours a week, plus or minus or.
00:10:02:54 - 00:10:31:57
Jasmin Peach
Yes. So when I went through it was 12 months full time. You get paid to study, which I thought was awesome because if I hated it, then I was like, Well, I'm not in loss. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. So you do that. But I think now it's nine months, so it does chops and changes all the time. I'm not really sure why, but mine was 12 months in the academy and then you do 18 months of probation, which is just like you have someone that kind of got in you while you're out on the road.
00:10:31:57 - 00:10:32:38
Jasmin Peach
Do anything.
00:10:33:07 - 00:10:38:36
Wayne Mulder
Okay? Yeah. That entire 18 months, you have someone with you kind of like a field training officer.
00:10:39:12 - 00:11:10:22
Jasmin Peach
Yeah, we call them a field trip, but. So training officer would be the same. Yes. Okay. So the first six months, you work pretty intensely with them. So they got to me through everything. And then after that you are left to your own devices, but they're still monitoring you so you can go out on your own. You can go out with people that aren't field tutors and do your own thing, but they're still keeping quite a close eye on you to make sure that you're doing everything right and, you know, policies are kind of interesting.
00:11:10:22 - 00:11:30:10
Wayne Mulder
Yeah, it's very similar here. The Academy when I went through was 770 hours and I went to a night academy. So it was essentially nine months, but it was nine months, quote unquote part time. So I worked full time during the day and then I went to the academy at night and weekends. So yeah, so that was and I didn't get paid.
00:11:30:10 - 00:11:54:09
Wayne Mulder
And so some of that's changed America. It's all the jurisdictions are split. Like there's not a million, but there's a lot of different jurisdictions here and someone's experience can be completely different depending on where they live. So some agencies, they hire you first and then they put you through training and stuff. In the area I'm in. At that time, you pretty much it was at a community college and you decided you want to be in the program.
00:11:54:09 - 00:12:02:20
Wayne Mulder
So you paid out pocket to go to the program in the hopes that when you got done you might secure employment. So yeah, a little bit different in that regard.
00:12:03:12 - 00:12:04:39
Jasmin Peach
Yeah, that was massively different.
00:12:05:04 - 00:12:16:39
Wayne Mulder
But very cool. So this agency that you work for, how does that so was it like a city type agency or a county type agency? I have no idea how Australia is split up when it comes to those kind of things.
00:12:17:06 - 00:12:43:44
Jasmin Peach
Yeah, sure. So in Australia we have our different states and so I was based in South Australia, so we don't have I guess counties, we have our regional towns which would be very similar to counties. But your whole state is responsible for those regional towns as well. So you go through your training in the city and then once you finish your training you elect where you want to go.
00:12:43:51 - 00:13:04:49
Jasmin Peach
It doesn't mean that you're going to get where you want to go, because when you start up, you sign a form that says, You can send me anywhere, okay? And then depending on where they need police, they will send police there. So like I said, I went to the nightclub strip, which is actually where I wanted to go, but I had paid for my course that was sent to those regional towns as well.
00:13:05:18 - 00:13:10:17
Jasmin Peach
So like the counties, but all trained in that one in the city and then sent out.
00:13:10:49 - 00:13:25:17
Wayne Mulder
Okay, so you get to a nightclub strip, you're loving it. You finally get to find out what happens after you chase and jump over the fence. So, yes, tell us a little bit about that time. So you're you're enjoying this period of your time in law enforcement, correct?
00:13:25:51 - 00:13:51:36
Jasmin Peach
Yeah. So I was so lucky. I landed on a team that was just amazing. And a team full of guys. So they were very protective of me as well as I was like the little sister to them, which was a lot of fun. But you learn on this nightclub strip and it's just you feel like you're thrown into the deep end of a swimming pool and you've just got to like tread water because otherwise you're not going to survive.
00:13:51:36 - 00:14:13:51
Jasmin Peach
So, you know, there's this fights happening and everywhere. And I'm sure just because drunk people can't control themselves. And I remember the first fight that I actually saw, my field tutor didn't see it. So I've like tapped him on the shoulder. And what there's one going on over there and he's like, Oh, you know, he was dealing with someone.
00:14:13:51 - 00:14:25:01
Jasmin Peach
So he's kind of like, Pass me off. And I was like, All right, here we go. So I've just run into this middle of this sport. No idea what I'm going to do. And I'm just like, put my hands up like so. And luckily.
00:14:25:33 - 00:14:26:35
Wayne Mulder
They actually listen.
00:14:26:35 - 00:14:47:30
Jasmin Peach
To me. Yeah, they did. Luckily they did. You know, it could have turned really bad. And afterwards, you know, my fellow tutor was like, it was really good. I'm glad that you're brave and you're strong. And you ran into that and was like, but remember, you know, we've got spray. You could have pulled the spray out and be like, Hey, guys, stop, or I'm going to spray you, not just run in and hope, you know.
00:14:47:31 - 00:15:11:16
Jasmin Peach
That's a good point. So it was so much fun and you see things that you never, ever think you would see. And because it's the city as well, you know those people. I don't know what it's like in America, but in the city there's a fair few homeless people. Yeah. And I think the difference maybe from Australia to America is our homeless people.
00:15:11:16 - 00:15:33:48
Jasmin Peach
A lot of them have homes. They actually prefer to live on the streets because that's where they get their methamphetamines, that's where they'll get the drugs, the alcohol. They can beg for money. So some of them are genuinely homeless, but a lot of them are not interested. Yeah, so I remember when I first went back because I was like, Oh, they harmless.
00:15:34:33 - 00:16:06:23
Jasmin Peach
They're not harmless though, but very interesting to kind of have the interactions with them and I don't again, don't know what it's like in America, but, you know, there's this meth strength that they get when they're on these amphetamines. So, you know, they're in a fight. And so you go in to break up this fight and there's a female the size of, you know, five foot and 40 kilos, and it's taking four of us to hold her down because somehow she's just got this strength from whatever illicit substance she is on.
00:16:06:23 - 00:16:26:58
Jasmin Peach
And I remember just saying that and it's like that's sort of things are so incredible that you don't even understand that that's what it's doing to them. But then also on the other side of that, you see people that are also on drugs though, just smear their poo everywhere, like all over buildings and just things you never thought humans would ever do.
00:16:27:00 - 00:16:52:10
Jasmin Peach
You know, before joining, I was like, Why would you do that? Is disgusting. Yeah. And, you know, maybe a three year old would do it because it's hilarious. But right. A fully grown person serves it really, really opened up my eyes to what the world was really like, I think, and especially with, you know, people that are less fortunate and how, you know, they can help themselves, but a lot of them don't.
00:16:52:33 - 00:16:53:00
Jasmin Peach
Yes.
00:16:53:51 - 00:17:16:19
Wayne Mulder
Yeah, no. We definitely have a homeless crisis here as well. And in different parts of the country, you hear it a lot in different states, but certainly it's here as well. I don't think there's any part of America that's untouched for people experiencing homelessness, but there is definitely a lot of resources that are coming and a lot of times the homelessness does come down to a choice or addiction, and I'm not going to get into that.
00:17:16:19 - 00:17:47:40
Wayne Mulder
But whether depending on why you make that determination as to the cause, a lot of times they are truly experiencing homelessness. Homelessness. They don't have another house, even if it is a illicit substance kind of situation, as you were describing. But you're absolutely right now in Australia, do you guys also work all the death investigations that occur? So here in the state that I'm in, for instance, if anyone passes away outside of a hospital or hospice and hospice is like end of life care.
00:17:47:56 - 00:17:57:54
Wayne Mulder
So anyone that's not in hospital or Yeah. Like a nursing home, if you would, then we as law enforcement go and take care of that. Did you guys do the same there in Australia?
00:17:57:54 - 00:18:12:46
Jasmin Peach
Yeah, where we are the exact same. So we have to go and then determine whether the death is suspicious or not. Right. So then if it's not suspicious, then we deal with it and then if it is, then you call the detectives down and you come off to them.
00:18:13:57 - 00:18:31:08
Wayne Mulder
Yes. Well, that was one of the most eye opening things to me because I grew I was very fortunate, didn't have or know a lot of people that passed away. And then coming into this career where you just dealt with so much on top of the things that you were describing, but then also to deal with so much death, that was really eye opening for me personally.
00:18:31:57 - 00:18:54:05
Jasmin Peach
Yeah, it is. It's some you don't realize how many people daily actually pass away and whether that's of old age or, you know, we had a law in the city that was the overdose or unfortunately, because there's lots of tall buildings in the city, you have the people that jump off as well. So it's just it is eye opening because they don't they don't share that stuff in the media.
00:18:54:19 - 00:19:07:26
Wayne Mulder
Yeah. No, no, people have no idea. And then of course, they have no idea how it affects us. But we'll get to that here in a little bit. So you're loving life, you're in this position and then something happens at some point and you get moved to another location, is that correct?
00:19:08:06 - 00:19:26:27
Jasmin Peach
That's correct. So I was on a team, so my first team I graduated to were amazing and I loved them. And then al South Australia decided to do this massive restructure and so everyone got thrown up in the air and you got put on a new team. And so I left.
00:19:26:45 - 00:19:27:52
Wayne Mulder
Sounds like government. Yeah.
00:19:28:35 - 00:19:58:42
Jasmin Peach
Yeah, yeah. That's it. So doesn't change much from different countries, by the sound of it. I landed on team with a supervisor who took a liking to me and sorry, he. He was. There's a culture around drinking in in South Australian place I think in Australian place. And I don't know whether it's in America, it's not, I don't particularly like the culture because I think it's a very dysfunctional way to cope with trauma and what you're going through.
00:19:59:02 - 00:20:15:09
Jasmin Peach
However, as a 19 year old, I grew up in this organization. I didn't know any different. So we've started this new team and the suit was going, we should all, you know, come have drinks at mine. So yeah, that sounds good. We'll get to know each other in Australia.
00:20:15:09 - 00:20:19:30
Wayne Mulder
You can drink at night. I just want to. Is that great. You can drink at 18. Correct. And Australian.
00:20:19:30 - 00:20:20:27
Jasmin Peach
Drink 18. Yeah.
00:20:20:42 - 00:20:23:56
Wayne Mulder
Yeah, it's 21 in us. That's why I want to make that clear for my listeners. Anyway I got.
00:20:23:56 - 00:20:56:07
Jasmin Peach
Yeah. Yeah, no I wasn't a cop and then drinking underage. That would have been. Could you imagine. Yes. So 18 you're allowed to drink and so we've gone to my supervisor place and everyone's drinking and haze throughout the night just doing little things that weren't super comfortable. So, you know, they'd be people dancing and he'd come over and like pull me in close to him to the point of where I had a good friend who came over to me and said, you know, Jazz, you're like a little sister to me.
00:20:56:07 - 00:21:16:04
Jasmin Peach
I'm I'm not going to let anything bad happen to you and have gone, Oh, crap, all the people are noticing. You know, it's not just me feeling uncomfortable, it's other people noticing that something's happening. So it got later on into the night. And because everyone had been drinking, the supervisor had offered for people to stay the night at his.
00:21:16:04 - 00:21:40:03
Jasmin Peach
So most of the time was staying. So I've gone into the bedroom that I've been allocated and my supervisor has closely followed and he has grabbed my arms and put me down on the bed. And it's one of those situations I think everyone kind of knows when time rolls out. So you don't actually know how. I have no idea how long I was there was it could have been 5 seconds.
00:21:40:03 - 00:22:07:51
Jasmin Peach
It could have been 30 seconds, but it just felt like it went forever for me. It could have been hours, you know. And so he's got me pinned down. I'm trying to move and I'm trying to get my voice out there so someone can hear me. Luckily, as I luckily is kind of off the cuff comment. But my friend who had earlier in the night been watching and being concerned, followed in probably again, time was stretched out maybe a minute after.
00:22:07:51 - 00:22:29:07
Jasmin Peach
And he's saying, you know, my supervisor has me pinned down by my arms over this bed and straddled over me. And so he said he just saw red and he grabbed my supervisor and just threw him up against the wall. And so from there, I just ran out. And so I don't know what happened after that. I don't know what happened between the two of them.
00:22:30:31 - 00:22:53:54
Jasmin Peach
I kind of for a long period of time, that actual incident was kind of blacked out in my mind. It took a while for me to find in my mind and discover again and what had happened. And a lot of it tracing back is the fear of the unknown. So, you know, if my friend hadn't have been looking out for me, you know, he's a very good friend of mine and I appreciate him so much.
00:22:54:32 - 00:23:11:42
Jasmin Peach
But what would have happened if he wasn't there or if it had been a minute later? You know, I couldn't this guy was a lot bigger than me. And also putting my trust in this person, you know, he is my supervisor. At the end of the day, he's the person I'm supposed to report to. I'm supposed to learn from.
00:23:12:32 - 00:23:32:27
Jasmin Peach
And he's in a position of power over me and he's gone and done this. So it was a long set of betrayal, losing trust. I went through the whole I lost trust in men in the organization, which was really sad because, you know, I graduated to this team where I only had men around me and I loved them.
00:23:33:21 - 00:23:43:04
Jasmin Peach
And so then I'm going into this space of what I trusted my supervisor. So who else have I trusted who might do this to me? Right. Yeah. Wow.
00:23:43:06 - 00:23:57:14
Wayne Mulder
So powerful. And so in those days after, I think it becomes kind of part of your story. But in the days after this incident, this kind of becomes the catalyst for a lot of difficult things that then start to go on in your life. Is that correct?
00:23:57:46 - 00:24:20:00
Jasmin Peach
Yeah, that's correct. So in the days after we have a reporting process here, so I didn't feel super comfortable reporting it because it's it's a crap reporting program that we have. And so anyway, I reported it and said, I don't want to work, I don't want to work for him anymore, which as you can imagine, is fair enough.
00:24:20:00 - 00:24:52:51
Jasmin Peach
So then they have said to me, all right, we can we can move you out to the suburbs, which in that situation it shouldn't have been made. It got moved. You know, my whole support network and everyone that I knew was at this station in the on the nightclub strip. But I got moved and it was a blessing in disguise because I got to experience a whole nother side of policing that I wouldn't have experienced without this move and yeah, but it kind of led into COVID hit.
00:24:53:33 - 00:25:11:54
Jasmin Peach
So when COVID hit, I was able to run away because I don't know what it was like in America, but in Australia, our states, you know, one country, but our states felt like they became little countries. So we had people on the border stopping other states from entering our state.
00:25:12:19 - 00:25:16:35
Wayne Mulder
Wow, we didn't quite get here, but they tried. But anyway.
00:25:17:22 - 00:25:41:38
Jasmin Peach
Yeah, yeah. It was really like I look back on, I'm like, Oh, that's horrible. So, I mean, they, they needed extra police to go down and man the border. And so instead of, you know, facing what I needed to do and, you know, giving a statement and doing all of that reporting side of things, I just kept running away to the border and so then when I was on the border, there's a pub there.
00:25:41:38 - 00:26:05:51
Jasmin Peach
What the cops do in the pub they drink. So I went to the pub. So often and I was drinking so often, and it's only on reflection where I think about it and I go, You know, before that I didn't drink very much at all. You know, I'm occasionally in a work event, I'd have some drinks, but I was never wanted to go out and get drunk or, you know, black out as you would.
00:26:06:41 - 00:26:33:55
Jasmin Peach
And on these border students, that was the first time I ever blacked out from drinking. So, yeah, that kind of flowed into on in hindsight, seeing it as a dysfunctional coping mechanism. My partner at the time as well, I don't think it's very well spoken about, but I was not faithful to him and that was that came from just wanting attention wherever I could get it.
00:26:34:28 - 00:26:52:48
Jasmin Peach
Yeah. And I talk about it a little bit in my own podcast that I have words, you know, it's not something I'm proud of. It's something I feel very guilty about. But it's still something that happens and it happens a lot in the Australian police force. Again, I can't speak for America, but the saying is join the force, get a divorce.
00:26:53:16 - 00:27:22:06
Jasmin Peach
Yeah, sorry. It's it's a culture around. It's almost promoting cheating, which is something that I don't love and it's something that I didn't do, but it's something that needs to be spoken about because that, you know, on top of a lot of other things, like drinking and I did excessive exercise so that I could feel physical pain over emotional pain among all those things, you know, it's something that you need to deal with and you do need to talk about, even though it is shameful, it's something that you need to address.
00:27:22:19 - 00:27:49:35
Jasmin Peach
And so that was the lead on of all those decisions. But yeah, it's and from there I finally went back to proper policing, not, not border policing and, you know, found my mojo, got back into it, became a domestic violence investigator, which was really cool, you know, I had a close friend of mine that went through a pretty horrific domestic violence relationship.
00:27:49:35 - 00:28:18:28
Jasmin Peach
So I felt almost responsible to do that in my own kind of personal way and just to be able to help victims that bit more. And while in the process of reporting, which took a very long time and by the end of the reporting process, I'd come to the decision that my organization and their values not their corporate values, you know, the ones that they tell everyone their actual values.
00:28:19:03 - 00:28:48:52
Jasmin Peach
And my values didn't align because, you know, they they didn't protect me and they didn't look after me and they didn't do the things that they were supposed to do for me in that time. And so I decided that once there was a penalty, I was going to lead the police force and then advocate for, you know, mental health and actually reaching out when you need help because it is such a stigma in the police force that you don't talk about traumatic events.
00:28:49:06 - 00:28:49:24
Jasmin Peach
Yeah.
00:28:50:07 - 00:29:20:16
Wayne Mulder
Oh, it's absolutely true. And a lot of the things you're describing are just as much an issue here, maybe a little different just because, you know, America is America. And it's it's different. It's very diverse, very, you know, very large country. And you can't paint America with a broad brush because the experiences of someone living in, you know, the county I live in, the state I live in, in the section of the country I live in, is going to be completely different than someone in a county, say, in Washington or something like that on the other side of the United States.
00:29:20:42 - 00:29:42:32
Wayne Mulder
But that being said, a lot of things you said really resonated with me when I first went through the academy. A lot of these sergeants who had been on patrol for a long time, in fact, I referred to it in a little book that I had written how the law enforcement Career Makes You Cynical. And I talk about how I had some of these, you know, these old crusty sergeants that were like, you're going to be divorced within ten years.
00:29:42:32 - 00:30:04:30
Wayne Mulder
You're going to be. And it was all these assumptions that there was no other way around it. It was just going to happen by you coming into this career. It was just a foregone conclusion, which is obviously not true and it doesn't have to be that way. And that's part of what I love about your story, is how you recognize not only the culture issues that we have, but that it doesn't have to be that way.
00:30:05:24 - 00:30:18:14
Wayne Mulder
Talk a little bit about the failure of the agency or the organization, as you put it. So did you get any kind of support from them at all after those days or was there anything they did right? And if not, what should have happened?
00:30:18:57 - 00:30:25:08
Jasmin Peach
Yeah. So you see me smiling through that. Yes. If you don't smile, you cry. So I'm.
00:30:25:08 - 00:30:26:15
Wayne Mulder
With you. I smile a lot.
00:30:27:30 - 00:30:54:16
Jasmin Peach
So, yeah, what happened is I reported it and I got moved. Obviously. And so once once you report something, what is supposed to happen is you get referred to our employee assistance section. So in that section we have social workers, counseling counselors and police officers. And so one of them is supposed to contact you and say, hey, we heard this happened because you got referred to us.
00:30:54:39 - 00:31:10:57
Jasmin Peach
Do you need any resources? Do you want an appointment with one of us or do you want us to refer you somewhere? So that's what's supposed to happen. That did not happen to me. So I didn't get referred to them at all. And one.
00:31:10:57 - 00:31:24:32
Wayne Mulder
I mean, not to cut you off there, but why do you think it didn't happen? Do you think it was just as simple as I mean, is there a non nefarious reason why it happened? Is it just one of these things where they accidentally you fell through the cracks, if you would?
00:31:25:15 - 00:31:59:40
Jasmin Peach
It it could be any of those. All right. I'm not very happy with how everything went down. Understood. And so the person that I actually had to report my incident to because of the hierarchy structure that we have, he was well known for sexual harassment towards females, so I was already uncomfortable in that situation. So I don't know whether he forgot or whether he chose not to because he was also good friends with my supervisor.
00:31:59:40 - 00:32:23:38
Jasmin Peach
Sorry, it's just one of those things where that was what he was supposed to do and he didn't. But because he didn't do that, the next step up like the boss above him is supposed to read over everything and they're supposed to check that things have happened. So it's not just a case of me slipping through the cracks once it happened on four levels where I slipped through the cracks, apparently.
00:32:24:57 - 00:32:31:48
Jasmin Peach
So that's kind of where I drew the conclusion that it was not slipping through the cracks. It was just I neglected to do what they're supposed to do.
00:32:32:02 - 00:32:32:49
Wayne Mulder
Absolutely.
00:32:33:18 - 00:33:00:55
Jasmin Peach
Yeah. So, yeah, from there, I so I moved out to the suburbs and I was on the roster line that still lined up with him. So the suburb that I moved to was very close to the city. And because of how busy the nightclub strip gets, we still get called in a fair bit to help. So we get pulled in just to help out when there's a big fight or, you know, there's no jobs, whatever it may be.
00:33:01:46 - 00:33:35:16
Jasmin Peach
So I was still on a weekly basis saying this man, which yeah, which shouldn't be happening. And so then it got to the point where they so the city and my suburb were on the same radio channel, so I would hear his voice all the time as well because he's on my radio chatter. So there was some shifts where I would say to my partner when I was working, Can the partner, I'm, I'm not listening to the radio or let me know what's going on, which is really dangerous as well.
00:33:35:16 - 00:33:35:56
Jasmin Peach
And I'm right.
00:33:37:12 - 00:33:58:31
Wayne Mulder
But still completely understood because here you are having to relive I mean, when we talk about traumas and we talk about these kind of things and we'll get to the training and so forth that you went through. But I mean, this is exactly like you're going to have to relive this event that you went through every night listening to this guy's voice on the radio, which should be completely preventable.
00:33:58:55 - 00:34:16:39
Wayne Mulder
Just out of curiosity, can you give us some idea how big of an agency or organization, I guess, is the term you keep using that we're looking at? So like how many officers are typically out at a night or I mean, are we talking hundreds? Are we talking ten, 20?
00:34:16:39 - 00:34:35:04
Jasmin Peach
Yes. So I'm in the city. There would be probably between 50 and 70 in the city. But in the suburb that I worked in, on a night, there would just be my train and that would be eight people. Okay. All right.
00:34:35:06 - 00:34:41:51
Wayne Mulder
So about a squad and then in the city that's comparable to a a medium size agency around here. So. Yes.
00:34:42:25 - 00:35:03:16
Jasmin Peach
Yeah. So they. Yeah, they lined up with us on the roster. So every every shift that I worked, he was working unless one of us was sick or on leave, you know, so I think it took about six months and I finally excuse my language crap the sheets. As we say in Australia.
00:35:04:08 - 00:35:05:49
Wayne Mulder
I've never heard that term but okay.
00:35:06:49 - 00:35:23:52
Jasmin Peach
I just got off, got up and I was like, I cannot deal with this anymore. And I've done a lot for the agency, you know, I was very much a yes man. I would do what they wanted to do the overtime. I do the roadside breath stuff, you know, and it got to the point where I just said, I can't do this anymore.
00:35:23:52 - 00:35:41:47
Jasmin Peach
So I went to my supervisor at the time and said, Look, I cannot keep running into him. I don't know where they at at that point in time. I said, you move me, even though that shouldn't be the case. I got to the point where I just said, You can move me because I don't want to deal with it anymore.
00:35:43:28 - 00:36:03:36
Jasmin Peach
So that went up the chain and then came back down to me and I said, All right, we're going to move him to the cells again. I don't know how it works in America, but our cells for each area, we have a cell complex where we take prisoners, whoever gets arrested. And I said, oh, that's really that's really cool that he's moving to the cells.
00:36:03:36 - 00:36:09:03
Jasmin Peach
Is he on the same roster line? Yes, he is. Awesome. I'm not going to arrest anyone.
00:36:09:48 - 00:36:12:28
Wayne Mulder
Right. No matter what. You're still running into this guy.
00:36:13:10 - 00:36:36:07
Jasmin Peach
Right? I'm now you're now preventing me from actually doing my job properly. You know, with him in the city, it was unpleasant and it was triggering. And, you know, I was turning my radio down, but I could still go and I would do my job. And if someone needed to be arrested, they'd be arrested or whatever it was, I'm like, But now I'm not even going to arrest people because I know that's where I'm going to run into him.
00:36:37:22 - 00:37:04:55
Jasmin Peach
So after I said that and you know, you said This is stressful, you trigger my trauma. They finally moved him roster lines. So then it was like, thank God, because I just I couldn't deal with running into him anymore. So I don't know why it took that long. And for me, finally speaking out to move him somewhere else, because when I think about it, it's common sense.
00:37:05:15 - 00:37:05:31
Jasmin Peach
Yeah.
00:37:06:01 - 00:37:28:10
Wayne Mulder
Oh, absolutely. And I mean, just even while they were looking into it, you know, they investigate Asian or whatever part to just separate you, just like you said, just make sense. Like I don't understand why we wouldn't go there automatically, but okay, so, so let's go down. What are some of the lessons that you learned maybe more specifically?
00:37:28:10 - 00:37:43:44
Wayne Mulder
Obviously, you learned some lessons that we can talk about on how we're properly organization should operate. But when it comes to the mental health and kind of the dysfunctional coping mechanisms or self-sabotaging behaviors, what are some of the lessons that you kind of learned through that process?
00:37:44:58 - 00:38:16:35
Jasmin Peach
Yeah, so because I've done a lot of reading on it now as well and research of my own and courses of my own just to learn more. And I think it starts at the base of recruits, you know, where I feel there's a neglect going through the academy. We teach our recruits how to arrest people and we teach them legislation and laws and policies, but we don't actually teach them how to look after themselves.
00:38:17:00 - 00:38:44:16
Jasmin Peach
We don't teach them, you know, how to do breathwork and regulate our nervous system. To tell ourselves that when outside, you know, you go into a situation where you're it's high stress and it's high risk, and so everything in your body is pumping. You know, you're going you've got that tunnel vision and then you get back to your base and you still stuck in in that situation of high stress.
00:38:44:36 - 00:39:23:20
Jasmin Peach
So just to be able to regulate your body inside sides now like we're all good, you can calm down a little bit, you know, neglecting that side of things, but also neglecting actually preparing people for what they're going to go into. And I had a very good conversation recently with a friend where they've said, you know, has anyone actually had that difficult conversation with their partner or with their family saying this is something this is a situation where I could get the job, that I mean, I could potentially die and actually preparing myself for that because they don't teach you that in our academy.
00:39:23:38 - 00:39:29:40
Jasmin Peach
And I think that's because they're scared that if they do, they might lose the right.
00:39:29:40 - 00:40:08:02
Wayne Mulder
So yeah, which is always interesting to me because I'm someone who advocates for because I teach at a local law enforcement academy and I advocate for making the job so real in the beginning so that people who aren't in the right mindset for it decide to quit on day one. Like I would rather they either not apply or quit on day one of the academy, then come into the profession and then decide nine months later or a year later that it's not for them or get washed out, or worse yet, actually make it through probation and then end up in a situation that either puts them in danger or their fam or, you know, them
00:40:08:02 - 00:40:09:34
Wayne Mulder
or one of their partners in danger.
00:40:09:34 - 00:40:37:51
Jasmin Peach
So yeah, I love that that's what we should be doing here. But it's, it's not happening. So, you know, the whole preparation phase of actually preparing people for what they're going to experience or what they may experience is really important. And, you know, not that my situation I could have been prepared for it, but if I had an understanding of, you know, dysfunctional coping mechanisms, that drinking could be one of them and or running away.
00:40:37:51 - 00:40:51:32
Jasmin Peach
If I had an understanding, then maybe I could have identified what I was doing rather than just continually doing it and blacking out. And, you know, until it got to a point where I've broken down at work and going, this isn't me. Yeah.
00:40:52:06 - 00:41:20:18
Wayne Mulder
No, I and your story is so powerful and I love what you're doing. Now, let me let me ask you that. I just want to be clear for the listener out there. And thank you so much for sharing your story. And obviously, it's centered around a sexual assault case, which is horrific that you went through that. But I want to be clear that some of some of what we're talking about when it comes to trauma, secondary trauma and these coping mechanisms can be brought on just by the profession itself.
00:41:20:42 - 00:41:23:15
Wayne Mulder
Is that accurate, in your opinion?
00:41:23:52 - 00:41:48:54
Jasmin Peach
Yeah, absolutely. And I think I think of trauma a lot. As, you know, everyone's going to covered in my kitchen that they feel we've just containers or, you know, you just saw something, you know, you close the cover and you hope that it stays shut and things don't come falling out. And a lot of the time that's what trauma is, is that you think you've dealt with something, even though you haven't talked about it or debriefed or done what you needed to do.
00:41:49:10 - 00:42:07:58
Jasmin Peach
But because it's not flaring up immediately, you're like, I've dealt with it, but all you've done is put that container in that cupboard, right? And then there's only so many containers you can put in that. So you keep going to these traumatic events and you keep putting the containers in the cupboard, and all of a sudden you put one in and it could be the smallest container.
00:42:07:58 - 00:42:15:27
Jasmin Peach
It could be something that you think is totally irrelevant. But you've put it in there, you've tried to close the cupboard, and then they all just come pouring out.
00:42:15:27 - 00:42:33:05
Wayne Mulder
Yeah. And it all comes back in that moment that. Yeah, these are universal truths. And that's what I hope the listeners are getting out of this. It doesn't matter what continent you're on, it doesn't matter where you work. If you're in law enforcement, these things apply to to all of us in this career in one way or another.
00:42:33:05 - 00:42:53:56
Wayne Mulder
And it's funny, as you tell that funny ha ha. But funny, surreal as you're telling these stories that different incidents and stuff are coming to mind. And even I was involved in a pretty crazy incident and never really thought anything of it. I mean, there was some briefing. I'm very fortunate to be at an agency that's extremely forward thinking in the mental health space.
00:42:53:56 - 00:43:11:27
Wayne Mulder
So we have all sorts of peer support teams and we have at times I joke, it may be the opposite rather than nobody wanting to talk. They want you to talk to so many people. That's like for the love of God, please leave me alone. But anyway, which isn't a bad thing. But, you know, seeing both sides of the equation, it's that humorous.
00:43:12:19 - 00:43:33:51
Wayne Mulder
But I didn't even think anything of it until July 4th. A couple of months later, it had been a shooting type incident. And then it was I was watching fireworks, which I love, 4th of July fireworks in America. And it wasn't till the fireworks are going off that all of a sudden I started getting this physical response that took me back to that moment and I realized, Holy cow, that is actually me.
00:43:34:03 - 00:43:40:24
Wayne Mulder
This thing is with me more than I realize. Like you said, all of a sudden, that one little container, it's like, okay, this is something I haven't dealt with.
00:43:40:58 - 00:43:51:30
Jasmin Peach
Mm. Yeah. And sometimes it doesn't come back for ages you know, and it is that one triggering, triggering moment that actually comes up and you're like okay let's, let's deal with this now.
00:43:52:03 - 00:44:25:55
Wayne Mulder
Yes. The other thing that I really want to highlight before and we're going to next quickly get into your what you're doing now and talk about your podcast, breaking the stigma. But you talk about organizations and it's interesting, just yesterday I put out on social media a couple of things in reference to mental health and the amount of feedback I get when I do that from people who are giving story after heartbreaking story of their organization, either failing them, walking away, firing them.
00:44:25:55 - 00:44:52:44
Wayne Mulder
I mean, it's crazy. And I don't know all the circumstances. And I'm not saying the organizations are always wrong because I've got to be fair. You know, maybe maybe this officer did do something. Speaking of their cases, you know, that did lead to them losing their employment. That is legitimate. I don't know. I can't make judgment call, but I can say that we have a problem as a as a profession when I'm getting that amount of feedback and then I'm hearing these horror stories like what you're telling me?
00:44:52:44 - 00:45:15:46
Jasmin Peach
Yeah, it's I think it's a big thing because then at the end, and I told this to our human resources offices is when I left the job, I said, I want you to know that I'm not actually leaving because of the incident. I've healed from the incident and I've done what I needed to do. I'm leaving because the organization didn't treat me with respect and didn't treat me how they should be treating me.
00:45:15:46 - 00:45:18:27
Jasmin Peach
And I can't work for an organization like that.
00:45:19:06 - 00:45:39:01
Wayne Mulder
Yeah, which is exactly the right thing to do. So let's talk about what you're doing now because you're doing some great things. So all you went through this and then like the best of stories, you took this negative that could have become your story and it's not. Instead, your story is what you're doing now. So walk us into kind of the next steps and what that led to.
00:45:39:41 - 00:45:57:57
Jasmin Peach
Yeah. So it's actually funny. I want to touch on something just previous. So it would have been, oh, maybe nine months ago. My partner said to me, and this is in the midst of me going through the reporting and it was coming to the end of it, but it was still very triggering for me. And my partner said, you know, one day there will be a positive from this.
00:45:58:39 - 00:46:10:48
Jasmin Peach
And I just I saw Red was like, how is there a positive? There will not be a positive, you know. And he was right. Maybe maybe his timing in saying that was a little bit off.
00:46:10:48 - 00:46:20:33
Wayne Mulder
Yeah, I understand that completely. I've had moments where people are like, someday you're going to look at this and this is going to be your success story. And I'm like, That's not how it feels right now. I hate you. But anyway, good.
00:46:20:33 - 00:46:54:21
Jasmin Peach
Yeah. So, yeah, I'm leaving. You know, I have a lot of really close friends that are still police officers and I love them to pieces. And seeing them slowly become cynical and jaded is just it's not something that I want to say. And so from my own incident, I, you know, you're reaching out to people that have been through the same thing or you hear that I've been through the same thing and you start making these connections and you hear that, you know, unfortunately, you're not the only one that's been through it.
00:46:55:03 - 00:47:27:50
Jasmin Peach
And so you start creating these connections. And then once I actually left the place force, I had a whole lot more people reach out to me saying, Hey, we're really proud of you. You know, you're doing something really good. I'm actually going through something at the moment and I plan on leaving. So off the back of that, I was like, Wow, we really have a problem with people not talking about mental health and whether that be, you know, something like what I went through or whether that just be an incident that you went through at work.
00:47:27:50 - 00:47:53:22
Jasmin Peach
But no one is talking about how they feel. And I think part of that is, you know, as police officers and I don't know whether you'll be able to resonate is that we have to show strength. You know, we go to these jobs and you're the one that people turn to. So we have to show this strength. But I think in that moment is also, you know, our strength is our biggest weakness and to our own detriment.
00:47:53:22 - 00:48:15:28
Jasmin Peach
I then think that we feel like we can't express when we are feeling like weak and vulnerable and we need help because we're supposed to be that person that you turn to when you need help. Yeah. Sorry. That's kind of where it all started, where I had people reaching out to me and saying, you know, I had this problem and I couldn't talk to people.
00:48:15:45 - 00:48:33:52
Jasmin Peach
And it's like, oh, man, I just wish I wish that that stigma, like breaking the stigma on like my podcast, I wish that stigma would just be broken because, you know if you had that person to talk to, that this might be a different outcome. You know, maybe I could still be in the police force in a job.
00:48:34:08 - 00:48:54:03
Jasmin Peach
You know, I loved the job. I didn't leave because of the job. So that's where that's come from and the passion of I want to be able to educate not only my friends that I still have in the job, but, you know, their friends and then their friends. And, you know, the flow on effect of like this is how shift work can affect you.
00:48:54:03 - 00:49:17:29
Jasmin Peach
So, you know, regulating your nervous system, the circadian rhythm, your work life balance, you know, this is how it could affect you. This is what you might say and this is what you can prepare for. And then hopefully, you know, they've got some sort of longevity in the job where they can stay in a job that they love because they've got this balance of everything and they have this understanding.
00:49:17:29 - 00:49:22:57
Jasmin Peach
And then they can talk to people and be weak and be vulnerable with the people that they love.
00:49:23:52 - 00:49:42:45
Wayne Mulder
I absolutely love it. And is so needed and fortunate. I'm starting to see more and more of it begin. But you are right. We are so far away from where we need to be and it's funny that word vulnerable has come up in the last four podcasts that I've recorded. So yeah, by the time they hear this, they will have heard that word four times.
00:49:42:45 - 00:50:04:30
Wayne Mulder
Now it's it literally is becoming like the theme of this podcast for some reason, but it's so true. And I love what you said, and you should preface that by saying, I don't know if this will resonate with you. It absolutely does, because law enforcement, besides a lot of times having type-A personalities, it also tends to lean on people who want to solve people's problems.
00:50:04:30 - 00:50:19:04
Wayne Mulder
That's legitimately you said on the oral board and what we call it, you know, the hiring process. There's usually a board where they come and sit before you. You always ask them, why do you want to get in law enforcement? They always say, well, I want to help people. So it almost becomes laughable because that's what everybody says.
00:50:19:04 - 00:50:38:43
Wayne Mulder
But the reality is there is some part of that as to what draws people to law enforcement, any type. It's the service aspect of it. And you are so correct that I think that that becomes the driving force as to why we're doing what we're doing. And we never stop to think about, Well, maybe I need help or maybe I need to.
00:50:39:00 - 00:50:52:24
Wayne Mulder
And then there's a stigma attached to that. So you are absolutely. So you also do so you have the podcast, but I want to make sure everybody checks out. Breaking the stigma, first responders and mental health. Did I say that correctly?
00:50:52:53 - 00:50:54:07
Jasmin Peach
You did, yes. Okay.
00:50:54:28 - 00:50:58:48
Wayne Mulder
And then you also have coaching through GFP Wellness. Is that also accurate?
00:50:59:40 - 00:51:23:04
Jasmin Peach
Yes. Yeah, that's correct. So I have I do have a website, but most of it's run through my own Instagram. So that's just Jasmine or Jasmine dot dot page. So yeah, that's just for I'd love to work with new recruits because I think that prevention is key rather than trying to deal with someone once they've got the trauma.
00:51:23:04 - 00:51:50:51
Jasmin Peach
And we obviously need that help. But I think if we can start to shift our focus to actually prevention, so giving the recruits these tools that they need with mindfulness, understanding, shift work, understanding the circadian rhythm, what you should be eating, nutrition, if you can give them those tools, then we may not actually end up in the situation of trauma or PTSD or whatever that might be or might look like.
00:51:52:08 - 00:51:59:34
Jasmin Peach
So yeah, just really that's where I want to go is working with recruits. But at the moment it's just coaching for anyone, anyone that wants it.
00:52:00:39 - 00:52:06:41
Wayne Mulder
And is that anywhere in the world? Is that lying? I'm assuming. So you can coach with anyone. It doesn't matter what country they're in.
00:52:07:01 - 00:52:36:37
Jasmin Peach
Yes, correct. Anyone in the world. So thank you, sir. We love Zoom and online stuff. And, you know, that became really big during COVID. As you know, you can move everything online, which is awesome. So yeah, it's really fun just educating people because, you know, I have now all this knowledge that I don't want a gatekeeper. I don't want to stop people from knowing these things because if it was someone in my position, you know, I would still love to be in that job.
00:52:37:10 - 00:52:41:52
Jasmin Peach
And so I want to find those people and help them still be in that job.
00:52:41:52 - 00:53:08:13
Wayne Mulder
That's an awesome mission. I absolutely love it. Let me just clarify a couple of things. So the GP Wellness does not associate and I know this is a rhetorical question, but it's not associated with any agency or anything. And the reason I'm saying that is one of the biggest concerns whenever I mention or anyone mentions mental health to law enforcement officers is they are afraid to reach out and to have a coach or to talk to somebody because they're afraid of what kind of impact that might have on their career.
00:53:08:34 - 00:53:16:35
Wayne Mulder
So reaching out to your wellness coaching, we can assure them that that's not going to affect their career at all. Is that correct?
00:53:17:07 - 00:53:28:21
Jasmin Peach
Yeah, correct. No links. It's funny you bring that up because I've had a lot of conversations with people in the police force who have said, I don't want to get help because I might get my gun taken away from me.
00:53:28:37 - 00:53:30:54
Wayne Mulder
Yup. Hear it all the time.
00:53:30:54 - 00:53:45:39
Jasmin Peach
Yeah. And then they lose their support network. It's not just, you know, their equipment. I'm sure they don't actually have that emotional connection to their gone with it. You know, whatever it might be, it's, you know, it's that support network that you go to work and you have your friends so you don't have to go to work. Yeah.
00:53:45:58 - 00:54:01:46
Wayne Mulder
Well and there is a lot of, and I don't know in other countries, but in America, I mean there is definitely a tie to your badge and your gun and you kind of feel naked without them over time, you know? I mean, you can you can be a detective and that's all you literally have is the badge and the gun and that, you know, that is everything.
00:54:01:46 - 00:54:06:07
Wayne Mulder
And when you have that taken away from you, you feel like your whole world is caving in. I'm sure.
00:54:06:43 - 00:54:07:42
Jasmin Peach
Yeah, absolutely.
00:54:08:09 - 00:54:13:55
Wayne Mulder
So what is next for your mission? Anything else you want to tell the listeners on what else is coming up?
00:54:15:26 - 00:54:40:39
Jasmin Peach
Just yeah, my podcast. So I've been really heavily focused on that, getting a lot of people on met the most recent person I had on there he is an inspiration. So hey his name's Derek McManus. He's from Southwest Georgia and in 1994 he was part of South Australia's special task and rescue. So I don't know, I think SWAT might be the equivalent.
00:54:41:11 - 00:54:44:29
Wayne Mulder
Maybe probably special warfare tactics. Yes.
00:54:45:00 - 00:55:15:30
Jasmin Peach
Yes, yeah. So they go to all of our high risk stop incidences, you know. So he went to a job where and this is when, you know, our gun laws are very different to America, but guns were allowed in Australia pretty much so. I went to this job and he got shot, shot at 18 times, got hit 14 times in the space of 5 seconds because this guy was using a Chinese military assault rifle and actually hit an artery.
00:55:15:39 - 00:55:40:28
Jasmin Peach
So, you know, this this man, he should have bled out and he didn't because he actually, you know, 1994, he's very old school. But he said, you know, he had prepared and done, you know, all the things with his family saying, if I get shot, this might happen. So, hey, just a massive inspiration. So I just, you know, I want to spread the word that it's you know, it's not only him because that didn't traumatize him.
00:55:40:28 - 00:56:10:26
Jasmin Peach
That incident didn't cause any trauma. The trauma came from actually him and his wife divorcing because that wasn't planned. So just making it well, knowing that just because something is supposed to be traumatic doesn't mean it is. But Just because something isn't supposed to be traumatic doesn't mean it isn't as well. So just reaching out for no matter what incident and talking about it, like breaking that stigma, just talking about anything, don't be scared.
00:56:10:26 - 00:56:18:30
Jasmin Peach
That's I think that's my main thing is like just talk to anyone and if they judge you, then like get rid of them. You know, we don't want those people.
00:56:18:55 - 00:56:39:52
Wayne Mulder
I agree with you 100%. And I had the the fortunate to be able to listen to that podcast and yeah that his story is incredible. So definitely I suggest all the listeners check that out. Breaking the Stigma Podcast. I can't let you go until I ask you my final question that I ask all the guests. We've kind of touched on this already.
00:56:39:54 - 00:56:56:16
Wayne Mulder
However, I like to ask it as a final summary question. So what is the one takeaway? The one thing that law enforcement officers can do that it's going to make a difference in their personal lives, something actionable that they can do to day. They'll make a difference in their personal life.
00:56:56:16 - 00:57:29:27
Jasmin Peach
Oh, okay. One of my biggest things is and it should be actionable today is make sure you have your outside of work connections. So, you know, we get very much caught in a bubble of law enforcement and having our friends. But One thing that I found massive was at work. I would talk to my friends and I'd be like, Oh, you know, this guy ran up maybe with a knife and hahaha and everyone's, you know, all the so-called, you know, and you look at your body worn footage that you've got and you know, it looks cool.
00:57:29:42 - 00:58:02:40
Jasmin Peach
And then I go home to my partner who's not in the job and I'd say, Oh, you know, this guy ran with the knife hahaha. And he's like, Babe, you need to just like talk to me about it because that's not normal and your body's probably needs to regulate it and you probably to talk about it a bit more and having that normal person, I guess, as we call it, who doesn't see what we see on a day to day basis is so important because they bring you back down to earth and they are the people that are like, Alright, you know, maybe you are really struggling or maybe we just need to touch on
00:58:02:40 - 00:58:04:04
Jasmin Peach
this a bit more.
00:58:04:04 - 00:58:24:23
Wayne Mulder
I love it. That is absolutely great advice. It's funny, we can be literally half a world away and I agree with everything you're saying. It's very powerful. So, Jasmin, I appreciate it. I want everyone to be sure to check out the Breaking the Stigma podcast. I will have this that linked up in the show notes as well as her Instagram, her Facebook, her Snapchat, all the things all have all the facts.
00:58:24:27 - 00:58:33:37
Wayne Mulder
Yes, you can just go in there, click on them and definitely connect with Jasmin. It has been an absolute blessing. Thank you so much for coming on. It's been a privilege to get to know you a little bit.
00:58:34:15 - 00:58:37:35
Jasmin Peach
Yeah, thank you so much. Hopefully everyone can understand my accent.
00:58:38:22 - 00:58:59:04
Wayne Mulder
I'm sure they can. And for just serendipitous programing, I ended up we're actually going to have two Australians back to back. So last week I just wasn't Australia. So you are the second one. So thank you, Jasmin. Thank you so much for coming out. I appreciate it. And that does it for this week's The Interview Room. I hope you really enjoyed it.
00:58:59:34 - 00:59:15:10
Wayne Mulder
Another great guest will be with us again next week. We have a great lineup for you here over the next few weeks and I'm through the rest of the year, so you're definitely not going to want to miss a single episode. We also have Morning Roll Call, which typically comes out Monday mornings. However, I may change my mind and who knows?
00:59:15:12 - 00:59:39:37
Wayne Mulder
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00:59:39:39 - 01:00:00:34
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01:00:00:34 - 01:00:22:57
Wayne Mulder
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