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Meet this Weeks Guest: LT Dave Smith

Former police lieutenant Dave Smith is an internationally known speaker, writer and law enforcement expert.  Dave completed his college degree at the University of Arizona while fighting forest fires with the “Coconino Hot Shots” and then began his police career with the Tucson Police Department.  In 1978 he joined the Arizona Department of Public Safety, holding positions in Patrol, SWAT, Narcotics, Training and Management. In 1980 he developed the popular “Buck Savage” video training series, was the lead instructor for the Calibre Press “Street Survival” seminar from 1983 to 1985, and was instrumental in developing Calibre’s timeless “Tactical Edge” officer survival book.  Dave holds numerous instructor certifications in firearms, defensive tactics, and human performance and is a proven expert witness and consultant. 

 

In 1989, Dave joined the Law Enforcement Television Network (LETN), developing and hosting cutting-edge police, security and public safety training as its Director of Education and was the general manager of Calibre Press until January of 2002.  Dave continued to instruct the “Street Survival” seminar through 2012 as its senior instructor and he managed the most comprehensive update to the seminar since 2003.  Dave created the video training unit for PoliceOne.com and is still one of the primary trainers for the online Police One Academy.  He produced and hosted PoliceOne’s award winning “Roll Call Reality Training” segments and was a member of their advisory board.

 

Dave has authored hundreds of articles for publications including Police Chief, Law and Order, The Trainer, Police Marksman, the Calibre Press Newsline, PoliceOne, Officer.com, Law Officer, NationalPolice.org and POLICE magazine. Dave currently trains internationally through the Arizona-based “The Winning Mind LLC” and is a regular columnist for POLICE magazine, the National Police Association and Law Officer.com.  Dave is the author of the popular book In My Sights and is a frequent media analyst concerning law enforcement issues.

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TOPICS discussed:

 

  • ·       Police Training

  • ·       JD Buck Savage

  • ·       Sheriffs are Constitutional Officers

  • ·       A Banana Republic if you can keep it.

  • ·       Governors should be like Ron DeSantis

  • ·       Democrat

  • ·       Republican

  • ·       Election Shenanigans

  • ·       Masking Didn’t Work!!

  • ·       The power of Positive Annoyance.

  • ·       Fascism- what it is, what it looks like.

  • ·       Saul Alinsky- Rules for radicals.

  • ·       Idiocracy and 1984 shouldn’t be how-to manuals.

  • ·       Wyoming

  • ·       Rube Goldberg Machine

  • ·       Common Sense

  • ·       Conservative Values are American Values

  • ·       All Democracies fail.

  • ·       Plato and Totalitarian philosophy

  • ·       Persians and the Athenians

  • ·       Donald Trump

  • ·       Stand up for what you believe.

  • ·       Be ready to fight or nurture.

  • ·       Elitist Conservatives.

  • ·       Green is the New Red. The Green Movement and Communism.

  • ·       Duty, Honor, Loyalty, Selfless Service, Courage, Strength.

  • ·       Illiberalism and cultish behavior.

  • ·       It is time to stand.

  • ·       The hope is you the listener.

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00:00:10:13 - 00:00:38:20

J.D. Buck Savage

The hands. That's right. The hands. Listen, rookie, take it from old JD Buck Savage that bad guys don't kill you with their feet. They kill you with their hands. You've got to be totally aware of the environment and always watch their hands on every traffic stop on every contact, watch the hands. Buck Buck.

00:00:38:22 - 00:00:49:11

All right, Turn.

00:00:49:13 - 00:01:14:02

J.D. Buck Savage

Of course I'm all right. Thanks for that little slip to hurt old Buck. But what did I tell you? Watch those hands, huh? Yes, sir. You're one lucky rookie rookie to have all OJT Buck Savage for your training officer for five weeks. Yeah. I'm going to teach you the ins and the outs, the tricks and the treats of crime fighting.

00:01:14:04 - 00:01:25:02

J.D. Buck Savage

Lesson number one. Remember, you're always before the public eye. We got to look sharp and be sure. But say. Say.

00:01:25:04 - 00:01:49:13

J.D. Buck Savage

Yeah. I'll have a cup of java and milk for the kid and the Hurry back, baby. I tell you what, I have seen figures, but that's incredible. Oh, the bus from Sun City must stop here. Look at that old guy back there. God, I hope he doesn't inhale anything or have a heart attack right during lunch. It's so embarrassing that CPR jacket on his chest and stuff.

00:01:49:13 - 00:02:07:00

J.D. Buck Savage

Oh, God. Hey, Buck, where are your helmet this time? Would you please? You know, you're right, Sarge. Oh, Buck wouldn't go anywhere without this old crash helmet, but I really don't think I'm going to need it. Also, I think it kind of brings down that big macho image we're kind of shooting for on the bikes. I'm going. Well, look that.

00:02:07:04 - 00:02:16:08

J.D. Buck Savage

Let's go.

00:02:16:10 - 00:02:21:22

J.D. Buck Savage

Yeah, but good guy. This is going to be a little tougher than we thought.

00:02:21:24 - 00:02:27:24

Because you could get together seasons. No, When.

00:02:28:03 - 00:02:30:15

Wayne Mulder

You break the law, if you decide to do this, we're going.

00:02:30:15 - 00:02:43:11

J.D. Buck Savage

To hold you responsible. You are the only good thing it's someone's worst day. That is a privilege for a police officer. At the very least, you could honor the sacrifices of police officers and their families.

00:02:43:16 - 00:03:07:18

Wayne Mulder

We have the ability to save the Republic and welcome, my friends on the On the Blue Line podcast for law enforcement. I am your host, Wayne Mulder. And this is the podcast that helps law enforcement officers overcome the mental health toll of the profession to become better leaders and protectors on and off the job. You already got to meet this week's guest.

00:03:07:18 - 00:03:31:08

Wayne Mulder

Those are the old J.D. Buck Savage videos. Definitely go to the links below in the show notes and you can watch all the videos. Those are just a little montage I threw together to introduce this week's guest, who is Lieutenant Dave Smith. I tell you, he is just a funny guy and I love those videos. He's also the husband of last week's guest, Sergeant Betsy Smith.

00:03:31:10 - 00:03:53:06

Wayne Mulder

So I think you're going to enjoy this. A little bit different of an intro since I showed you those videos first. So I just want to remind you, follow us on social media. We're most active on X or Twitter or whatever you want to call it, which is at I'm the blue line in the number one at I'm the blue line in the number one and then we are out on all the other social media and on the Blue Line podcast.

00:03:53:06 - 00:04:17:23

Wayne Mulder

And then please, if you would, leave a rating, a review, five stars, please. If you enjoyed the show, but that helps to get it out to more people. I do have to warn you, if you this is the most overtly political conversation that I've had since starting the podcast. I think it's a good conversation. I think it's an entertaining conversation, and I think you may even learn something in this conversation.

00:04:18:00 - 00:04:40:24

Wayne Mulder

But it is an overtly political conversation. So I'm just giving you the little advisory upfront. I hope you will still listen to it, but if not, come back next week, we'll have some more of our standard guest and we'll talk a lot about law enforcement, mental health and other things in the law enforcement career. And I think that this conversation can be equally as important because really we're talking about foundational principles.

00:04:41:01 - 00:05:02:01

Wayne Mulder

And what's ironic is, as I said last week was Sergeant Betsy Smith's episode is several of these were recorded months and months ago. And as promised, I will get all of this content out in the good news is in about six weeks will be caught up and then we will be putting out content in real time because I'm actually going to be changing the format a little bit too, and I hope that you enjoy that.

00:05:02:01 - 00:05:21:18

Wayne Mulder

But to my point, the interview that I had with Dave is just as relevant today as it was all those months ago when we sat down and had this conversation. In fact, I would probably argue with some of the things we're seeing over the last couple of days. It's more relevant today than it was back then, so I hope you enjoy it.

00:05:21:20 - 00:05:40:20

Wayne Mulder

Definitely give me your feedback. Feedback and I'm the blue line com feedback and I'm the blue line dot com. I'd love to hear what you think as I do different things with the show and I love to get that feedback because then that gives me some direction to bring you the best content that you enjoy. Because if you enjoy the content and you come back week after week, then that allows me to make the content that I can bring you week after week.

00:05:40:20 - 00:06:07:18

Wayne Mulder

See how this reciprocal relationship works. So without wasting any more time, Dave Smith, he is probably best known for those JD Buck Savage videos, but he has done a lot in the law enforcement space. He's a writer, he's a speaker. You're going to see his work in multiple locations. Police magazine officer.com the trainer, police marksman calibre press more and all that in this conversation.

00:06:07:18 - 00:06:20:03

Wayne Mulder

So without taking any more time, here is this week's guess Lieutenant Dave Smith or better known as JD Buck Savage all right. Well, Dave, thank you for joining me. Welcome to the program.

00:06:20:05 - 00:06:24:21

LT Dave Smith

Well, thank you. It's always fun and worry about a lot of things to talk about. Nowadays.

00:06:24:23 - 00:06:33:11

Wayne Mulder

There is no shortage of things to talk about from from law enforcement to the end of Western civilization and many things in between.

00:06:33:13 - 00:06:36:19

LT Dave Smith

Very sadly, but truly, yes.

00:06:36:21 - 00:06:42:19

Wayne Mulder

Let's start, though, with the easy question before we get to the end of the world. We'll start with is a coffee or tea for you?

00:06:42:21 - 00:06:57:06

LT Dave Smith

Oh, I'm a coffee guy all the way. And I drink it just like my grandmother taught me with cream and grew up. I get up in the morning and I'm not. My IQ is about 13 till I've had my second cowboy coffee. So that's how I get going in the morning.

00:06:57:08 - 00:07:05:02

Wayne Mulder

You and me both. It is a must. Now, earlier today I spoke to a guy from Georgia, so he had to sneak in there the sweet tea in the afternoon.

00:07:05:02 - 00:07:07:19

J.D. Buck Savage

But yeah, I cannot do.

00:07:07:19 - 00:07:24:17

LT Dave Smith

The first time I ever went to the south, I went down to the Glencoe too, and flexi there to get over a glass. And I went into one of those Southern restaurants there, you know, the barbecue place there. I think it's sunny. That's it's called really. I love the food there, but I go in there and I made a mistake being in Arizona, and I just asked for iced tea.

00:07:24:19 - 00:07:40:21

LT Dave Smith

And I, I took a drink and I think I was a diabetic in 8 seconds. It was the most that I had never had so much sugar concentrated in one drink in my life. And I had to request and I learned to say unsweetened in the South always before you ordered iced tea. It's sweet first.

00:07:40:23 - 00:07:44:21

Wayne Mulder

It absolutely is. Being an Indiana boy myself, it was shocking.

00:07:44:23 - 00:07:47:14

J.D. Buck Savage

Exactly. Exactly.

00:07:47:16 - 00:07:50:17

Wayne Mulder

So do you have a best or worst travel story.

00:07:50:19 - 00:08:14:09

LT Dave Smith

You don't got? I tell you what, I've had so many and I know I used to I would lament, for instance, one time I you know, I got there doing a seminar. I'm in the East Coast. I am on my way to I was living in Chicago at that time, and all of a sudden they shut down Midway Airport and in the middle of winter we had Atlantic, Cleveland and they let us off the plane and then they shut the airport down.

00:08:14:13 - 00:08:20:00

LT Dave Smith

So I'm standing there. And so I was I've always complained about that. I had to rent a car, drive.

00:08:20:02 - 00:08:20:22

J.D. Buck Savage

The rest of the way to.

00:08:20:22 - 00:08:41:01

LT Dave Smith

Chicago seven or 8 hours and the thing is, is that what's just happened with Southwest, for instance, my stepsister tried to come visit us. She spent 36 hours sitting in San Diego on her way from Boise to Tucson. So I guess I really can't complain. And, you know, part of me really likes travel, but I hate now being processed.

00:08:41:01 - 00:08:43:06

LT Dave Smith

But I always like I love people watching.

00:08:43:08 - 00:08:43:12

J.D. Buck Savage

Yeah.

00:08:43:13 - 00:08:51:24

LT Dave Smith

And you always see that these airports now nowadays people watch. Watching truly is an adventure in amateur psychology, you know.

00:08:52:01 - 00:08:54:19

J.D. Buck Savage

Yes, it is.

00:08:54:21 - 00:09:00:02

Wayne Mulder

It may make you more fearful for the future as well, but it is fun to watch. Yes.

00:09:00:04 - 00:09:05:02

LT Dave Smith

I know. I watch an apocalypse movie from the eighties and it's like, well, that's already been done. We're done there now.

00:09:05:05 - 00:09:05:18

J.D. Buck Savage

Yes.

00:09:05:18 - 00:09:09:15

Wayne Mulder

This one was George Orwell. How to manual.

00:09:09:17 - 00:09:10:05

J.D. Buck Savage

It wasn't.

00:09:10:09 - 00:09:11:13

LT Dave Smith

It's not supposed to be a.

00:09:11:13 - 00:09:14:13

J.D. Buck Savage

Blueprint, guys. It's to be a warning.

00:09:14:15 - 00:09:24:20

Wayne Mulder

Exactly. This was the road did not go down. But anyway, we'll get to that in a minute. Do you have a favorite or most meaningful modern nonfiction book?

00:09:24:22 - 00:09:48:19

LT Dave Smith

Oh, gosh. You know, so many because I read so many good ones. I enjoy all of Mark Levin's because I always, you know, my degree was political science. So I've always considered myself a political scientist, even though I went into law enforcement and studied law school. But, you know, I always find Mark Levin entertaining so many, you know, for fun, I'll read a malcolm Gladwell, you know, and then I don't agree with him on a lot of things sometimes, but I do like his ideas.

00:09:48:19 - 00:10:06:10

LT Dave Smith

So things that I like to exercise my mind and learn about Right now, I've just just got a book I just started, you know, Race to the Bottom about our education system. And I, I, I might have to have a drink, read, drink, read as I'm going along watching this go downhill, you know?

00:10:06:12 - 00:10:08:22

J.D. Buck Savage

Yes.

00:10:08:24 - 00:10:20:14

Wayne Mulder

I'm finding that as well with some of these books, especially Marks and Glenn's and some of these others, it's like, there's nothing. You're positive? I just got to take it in small, small doses.

00:10:20:16 - 00:10:35:24

LT Dave Smith

Now, we really did surrender a lot of our future to these people. And and what's sad is, of course, you know, you and I are actively involved in dealing with the law enforcement issues. And the problem you have is you say to yourself, you know, where is that? And, you know, we used to tell our children, if you get lost, who do you see?

00:10:35:24 - 00:10:55:08

LT Dave Smith

You know, what do you look for? You know, And now you literally have the media acting like, well, you wouldn't want to see a police officer because they might just shoot you. And you're like, what idiocy, what lunacy? And again, is that? But it hasn't just gone to the edge of stupid. It's gone to too absurd. And and yet Americans, you know, they they don't they don't call it a lie like they should.

00:10:55:08 - 00:11:09:11

LT Dave Smith

You know, I keep thinking back to the old the old saying the Soviet Union, you know, they had a name, they in Russian, it means the white lie, but it's a white lie where you're lie and they know you're lying.

00:11:09:16 - 00:11:10:01

J.D. Buck Savage

Okay.

00:11:10:03 - 00:11:27:19

LT Dave Smith

And I remember reading the definition of it. They call it it's like a game. And it was in the Soviet Union. And they go, they lie to us. We know they're lying. They know we know they're lying. And they keep lying to us and we keep pretending to believe them. And I read that years ago and I thought that, wow, that's terrible.

00:11:27:24 - 00:11:43:15

LT Dave Smith

And here we are doing that. We let the media liars with our president lie to us. We let our politicians lie to us just day to day, and we just pretend to believe. And we should we just stop pretending, right? It's a it's a lie. Verano is the term in Russian. Verano The white lie. Yeah, I knew I pop it up.

00:11:43:16 - 00:11:48:06

LT Dave Smith

I didn't know we were talking about this. Right to refresh my brain ahead of time. Pre-loaded for this.

00:11:48:06 - 00:11:49:02

J.D. Buck Savage

So to speak.

00:11:49:04 - 00:12:15:15

LT Dave Smith

But it frustrates me because the lies are so continuous. And you know the irony, Gene is dead in the modern media. You know, they're not the cause, they're not media, they're propagandists anymore anyway. But they could never sense a sense of irony when they're saying something about something to like like, let's take Biden's papers. Right. You know? Well, it's co-equal with what It's co-equal with President Trump having The problem is the vice president is not co-equal to the president.

00:12:15:21 - 00:12:25:07

LT Dave Smith

All right. Whatever you may think about Trump's papers, the issue is the vice president has no justification for classified papers. And that's who that's what he had in his.

00:12:25:12 - 00:12:29:04

J.D. Buck Savage

Garage with as well. Of course, what could be more.

00:12:29:04 - 00:12:42:13

LT Dave Smith

Secure than where you store your vet? You know what? If you get that safe with all those Secret Service guys of Mar a Lago, and again, I'm not advocating for Trump. I'm just saying there's little bit consistent. If you're going to lie to me, try to at least have some consistency, you know, right.

00:12:42:13 - 00:12:46:16

Wayne Mulder

In adding the lock to the door that they requested. They get in there.

00:12:46:16 - 00:12:50:14

J.D. Buck Savage

Look. Oh, my God.

00:12:50:14 - 00:13:00:16

LT Dave Smith

It's so crazy because, you know, again, this is one of those things where as law enforcement officers, we always believe, look, here's the law. And if you have a conduct breaks our law.

00:13:00:22 - 00:13:02:05

J.D. Buck Savage

I arrest you.

00:13:02:07 - 00:13:20:20

LT Dave Smith

It's very simple, very cut and dried. So let me just explain something about the American legal system. All you people are weren't cops out there watching this is you have the law and then you have authority and the authority is subordinate to the law. And that law is absolute. Remember that lady.

00:13:20:20 - 00:13:21:06

J.D. Buck Savage

Lady.

00:13:21:06 - 00:13:23:01

LT Dave Smith

Justice has a blindfold.

00:13:23:02 - 00:13:24:14

J.D. Buck Savage

So she can't. But now the.

00:13:24:14 - 00:13:44:13

LT Dave Smith

Democrats will take the blindfold off. Let's look and see. What party are you? Oh, what what race are you? What gender are you? What are the. So they have we have these we've now stratified law and made the law subordinate to authority. And the Constitution is completely irrelevant. Well, the Constitution supposed to be overall then the law and then authority.

00:13:44:19 - 00:13:49:17

LT Dave Smith

And until we reestablish that, it's just it's just getting worse and worse and worse, you know?

00:13:49:19 - 00:14:16:03

Wayne Mulder

Right. In fact, and I've had this conversation with some others recently, and I'd be curious on your thought, which this wasn't a road I was going to go down, but I love it. So, I mean, the government is literally doing the opposite of what its intended role was. I mean, the whole point was protecting those inalienable rights and securing the border and war are really the only two things constitutionally that they should be doing at the Federal level.

00:14:16:03 - 00:14:22:11

Wayne Mulder

And there's a lot of it is remitted to the states and the people. So, yeah, it's literally the opposite of what the intent was.

00:14:22:13 - 00:14:49:17

LT Dave Smith

Well, our our forefathers actually wrote extensively about this and they said governments are formed to give security and safety and the ability to obtain happiness for their people. No. Where does it say they're going to take your money? The reason we have you remember the original constitution wasn't even allow income tax. Yeah, because again, you know, those guys all read, you know, Plato, Aristotle, they studied all these the great writings they knew, you know, exactly what went wrong.

00:14:49:17 - 00:15:09:19

LT Dave Smith

If you had a pure democracy where you know you're going to have pure democracy, always leads to tyranny. And you see that in these cities now that are one party cities where, again, you know, the rights are eventually eroded away under the under the administrative state, which is a commentary and have that term back when we formed our country.

00:15:09:21 - 00:15:36:00

LT Dave Smith

But you read the Constitution, you read the Declaration of Independence, you read our Bill of Rights. It's very clearly restrictions on government and limitations on government, not on us. And in fact, in 1856, when the Republican Party was started, which would later start a war five years later in 1561, you know, they said simply they were trying to reaffirm that both the Constitution and the Bill of Rights for every person everywhere.

00:15:36:00 - 00:15:54:21

LT Dave Smith

And that was the whole thing. They didn't just say, let's do let's end slavery. What they said late. It's time to just reaffirm what we've already written and declared as our purpose. And I guess what's what should happen today is we need to at least, you know, at least the Republican Party should say, yeah, I reaffirm that we believe in the Constitution.

00:15:54:21 - 00:16:17:08

LT Dave Smith

We believe in the Declaration of Independence. Somebody has to. And my problem is I see a lot of public politicians either side doing a lot of euphemism about socialist issues and administrative control issues and not freedom issues. So it's getting depressing, you know, especially the more and more that we have in our elections, the more and more tension builds up in our society.

00:16:17:10 - 00:16:52:20

Wayne Mulder

Absolutely. And then now what we're seeing with prices rising and so forth. So taking it a different kind of taking it back to law enforcement, it's something I talk about a lot. And with all of your experience and stuff, I'd be curious your thoughts on it is we really I make the argument. So not only do we live in a time where there's obviously some concern or we've moved so far from the original intent and I mean, in as you look back and become kind of I can my mother and grandmother a hard time a lot because I'm like, you know, you guys are y there's Woodrow Woodrow Wilson and FDR.

00:16:52:23 - 00:17:09:17

Wayne Mulder

You know, it's like this problem didn't happen yesterday. This didn't happen during Obama. You know, it just came to light under Obama. So, you know, that's a conversation I have with them. But that being said, what we're in now is like pure idiocy. We can't even define what a man or a woman is, You know, by 2030, y'all nothing.

00:17:09:17 - 00:17:31:17

Wayne Mulder

And be happy if we the world, according to Klaus Schwab. So all that being said, I make an argument often that the kind of the final safeguard in our American system is law enforcement, especially when you talk to your sheriffs and your deputies and constitutional officers. What are your thoughts on that? Do you because this is kind of a big part of what I talk about.

00:17:31:17 - 00:17:40:24

Wayne Mulder

And on the blue line is trying to educate law enforcement officers, because I really do think they have a major role in being that last safeguard to our constitutional rights.

00:17:41:01 - 00:17:58:13

LT Dave Smith

They are the very office of sheriff was created around 900 by a guy named Alfred the Great. Some of the because we don't teach history anymore. Hardly anybody knows that. But what he did is he made a bargain after crushing the Danes. You know, there was originally a whole bunch of kingdoms. All you gotta do is watch Game of Thrones and see what was going on.

00:17:58:13 - 00:18:31:20

LT Dave Smith

Back then. The Danes came in and they were literally the white walkers, you know, they kick butt. And then this king, this guy, he rallies the Anglo-Saxons and they get victory. And then he sits down the Danes. After they've destroyed England and he says, You stay, you help build my country and I guarantee your freedoms. I guarantee you can be citizens in our country, you know, And to make sure that he guaranteed those rights, he created the office of Sheriff, which in old English meant essentially the manager of the county, and they had the power to collect taxes.

00:18:31:20 - 00:18:50:03

LT Dave Smith

We all remember that's where Robin Hood came from. The sheriff was gathering up all the monies and and they had the power to make sure that a trial was fair, The people's rights and people don't understand this, but the sheriff, the reason Alfred gave him the purse is that gave them control over the Anglo-Saxon nobleman. No, no, no.

00:18:50:08 - 00:19:09:12

LT Dave Smith

Is happy that his villages are filled with a bunch of Vikings, you know. So this was the kind of thing he did. He created this role. And to this day in the United States, you know, it's still the role they are still constitutional representatives. They are elected by the people in the vast majority of states, and they represent your as liberties.

00:19:09:12 - 00:19:28:22

LT Dave Smith

And frankly, I'm very proud of that. So many sheriffs as to look what's happening in Illinois. You're right to say, no, I'm not doing it. No, that's that's I don't believe that's constitutional. And we may come to a point where we have to make some severe decisions because that pressure release valve in our society that we call elections are so discredited now.

00:19:28:24 - 00:19:51:19

LT Dave Smith

And frankly, you know, when you study the history of violence in any in any place in the world, the United States has always had that wonderful pressure release. Well, no matter how bad things are, I know in two years I have an election and now I don't trust that election, especially living here in Arizona. We none of us believe even the Democrats here don't believe that was a legitimate election.

00:19:51:21 - 00:20:01:24

LT Dave Smith

And yet here we are, tension building. And I our sheriffs are standing only one sheriff throughout Arizona that I heard that isn't standing strong with the others.

00:20:02:01 - 00:20:03:05

J.D. Buck Savage

Yeah.

00:20:03:07 - 00:20:23:24

Wayne Mulder

Yeah, I've heard the same. And I think that's great. I think it's so needed that. Well, people just have to stand, you know, That's we were so comfortable, my generation especially. So I was born in the late seventies under the disaster of the Carter administration, but I was too young to know. And I so but I grew up in the Reagan era, so that was my impressionable years.

00:20:23:24 - 00:20:39:20

Wayne Mulder

And so I really got to see that. It's funny, I often say growing up, the only things I worried about was, you know, beating, beating Russians and staying away from quicksand because I thought that was gonna be a much bigger deal. That ended up being.

00:20:39:22 - 00:20:41:06

J.D. Buck Savage

So.

00:20:41:08 - 00:21:05:13

LT Dave Smith

Yeah, until you're in it, you just don't even think about it. That's so quick. And, and apparently with Russians did with communism, with America's liberties, you know you're right on because I, you know, again, I was born in 52, you know, so I've been at all I was sitting there, I came in from a patrol in the 76 and they announced Carter had won and and a couple of our guys in patrol.

00:21:05:13 - 00:21:25:12

LT Dave Smith

I was with the Tucson Police Department back then. A couple of our guys had voted for him, and I chided them greatly. I still to this day, I'll run into a buddy of mine, George, over here, my local Safeway, and I'll still chide him about that for God's sake, What did you do to our country? And all he can do is hang his little head in shame because, boy, that next four years brought us ragged.

00:21:25:14 - 00:21:50:14

LT Dave Smith

So one of the things we've always seen is in our country, the ability with us to use elections to rebalance that pendulum as we talk about, to swing it back the other way and instill a more favorable system. Reagan is definitely the descendant of the Goldwater's failures in 64, You know, and frankly, Goldwater was coming off an assassination of Kennedy when he was running against you know, you think about it, 63 Kennedy's killed.

00:21:50:16 - 00:22:11:13

LT Dave Smith

Then in 64, you have the election with with JFK or with Lyndon Johnson against Goldwater. And they they tried to get Goldwater to be a pure as a terrorist. And he was anything but. He was an actual, real, real American American. And at the same time, he was a libertarian Republican versus the Romneys and the Rockefellers back then.

00:22:11:15 - 00:22:43:11

LT Dave Smith

And so they were able to to do exactly what they did this last election, the establishment, so to speak, not support Goldwater. Well, but his message was so powerful. And sure enough now and here comes after Carter's absurdities, here comes, you know, Reagan and just rock and rolls. You know, Goldwater got crushed, LBJ left, you know, we got Nixon in there, and then Nixon got canned, you know, and you saw all these things.

00:22:43:11 - 00:22:57:24

LT Dave Smith

But you saw that throughout history. Then that trend, that pattern, and boom, then along comes Reagan. And you have this conservative revolution. Now it's all been unwound. And I don't know what's going to happen. That's a long explanation. But I agree with you. We're in trouble.

00:22:58:01 - 00:23:33:01

Wayne Mulder

Yeah, well, nothing. But my fear now is, is that we're moving more towards this globalist mindset where it really isn't republic. We really are wrestling against Republican and Democrats anymore. I mean, it really is these globalist and this Davos crowd that has influenced the Democratic Party and much of the Republican Party. And I mean, that seems to be the road that we're on, which is my greater fear is because it's not the old statement of the pendulum, you know, that we hear over and over again, and that those that I've talked to with more life experience, you know, have often talked about.

00:23:33:06 - 00:23:41:07

Wayne Mulder

My fear is, is that that pendulum may not go back when we're looking at completely moving away from foundational principles.

00:23:41:09 - 00:23:42:19

J.D. Buck Savage

You know.

00:23:42:21 - 00:24:04:15

LT Dave Smith

The question is, do they disable the ability for us to make change? And that's essential to, again, our lack of violence in our society. The South decided that with the election of Lincoln, they weren't going to that Republican Party. That new party was a brand new party. And the third parties normally just create chaos with the Bull Moose Party did gave us Wilson You know yeah.

00:24:04:17 - 00:24:27:06

LT Dave Smith

The problem is, is that for us today well we have to look at this is that you know you have people talking about new parties yet because the Republican Party is is schizophrenic. You have the DC crowd, which is the again, you know, the McCarthys who just did get pulled in line by somebody and everybody's writing them. Oh, the Republicans are terrorists, the holdouts.

00:24:27:06 - 00:24:52:14

LT Dave Smith

You know, I'm here back home. We're celebrating our our Navy SEAL. Yeah, you know, Eli Crane for standing his ground and getting all those concessions that are essential, really, if you're going to have a Republican House that's going to be effective. But at the same time, we know we're asking ourselves, where is my party? What has happened? You know, MCCONNELL you know, Mitch didn't support Blake Masters here in Arizona, who was and he's like, well, he's a poor candidate.

00:24:52:14 - 00:25:31:07

LT Dave Smith

Poor candidate. The guy is brilliant. I'm I know this guy and his family. We we went out and we worked with him. We he is brilliant and he's a local guy. But again, when you start that when the party head starts giving you signals like, well, they're they're not the best bunch of candidates and boy that that carry like carry Lake is the most that the Democrats mark this point in your program the Republicans have in Kerry Lake the most charismatic dynamic rhetoric I would you call it political power ever this woman, she communicates better than any person I've seen in my lifetime.

00:25:31:09 - 00:25:49:03

LT Dave Smith

She organizes thoughts on the spur and at the same time, she's got a natural charisma. And the thing is, she speaks to people. The grassroots, and they hate that. They hate that here in Arizona. The problem is they're going to wish they tied her down as our governor, because now we have an idiot for a governor, literally an idiot.

00:25:49:05 - 00:25:56:22

LT Dave Smith

And and she's she's as radical. And that's another thing. I'm so tired of people saying, well, we had we can't the Democrats what can't they.

00:25:57:03 - 00:25:57:09

J.D. Buck Savage

They.

00:25:57:09 - 00:26:04:16

LT Dave Smith

Had clowns for candidates and they won. Yeah. Tell me about how how well then you're right You've mentioned idiocy.

00:26:04:18 - 00:26:05:08

J.D. Buck Savage

Who have thought.

00:26:05:08 - 00:26:07:04

LT Dave Smith

The movie was a.

00:26:07:04 - 00:26:13:20

J.D. Buck Savage

Prescription, just like the book before 1984 for idiocy. Because this is absurd.

00:26:13:22 - 00:26:35:24

LT Dave Smith

We are run by idiots in the state of Arizona now and our Republican Party at the state level is is almost supine, just laying there. But they should be fighting back constantly. Then. My problem, too is, you know, the American people, he better wake up because there's you know, you've they've already tried to literally defund your your your civil society.

00:26:35:24 - 00:26:39:23

LT Dave Smith

And once you get rid of the police, you're not you don't have a civil society anymore.

00:26:39:24 - 00:26:40:08

J.D. Buck Savage

Right.

00:26:40:11 - 00:26:43:15

LT Dave Smith

It really is a law of the jungle band. Good luck, folks.

00:26:43:17 - 00:26:46:07

J.D. Buck Savage

Yeah, it's all frustrating. Well, this is a therapy.

00:26:46:07 - 00:26:47:19

LT Dave Smith

This isn't a podcast. It's a.

00:26:47:19 - 00:26:50:11

J.D. Buck Savage

Therapy session. Exactly.

00:26:50:13 - 00:26:52:21

Wayne Mulder

Here's your banana republic, if you can keep it.

00:26:52:23 - 00:26:57:13

J.D. Buck Savage

Yeah, that's. That's. Franklin was alive today, right?

00:26:57:14 - 00:27:00:01

LT Dave Smith

He made Rodgers look like an amateur, right?

00:27:00:03 - 00:27:01:14

J.D. Buck Savage

Yes, he would. Yeah.

00:27:01:18 - 00:27:19:15

Wayne Mulder

It's sad. It really is. And it really does come to fruition to kind of what I wanted to get in a little bit today. Let's look segway over for a minute to maybe just tell the listeners a little bit about your experience just so they can kind of resonate with you came into law enforcement at some point. So just take us from there in a little bit through your experience.

00:27:19:17 - 00:27:44:01

LT Dave Smith

Yeah, you know, I was you know, I graduated from University of Arizona and started with the Tucson Police Department back when Tucson was one of the top cities in crime. And it still is. That was 19 January of 75. Eventually, I went over to the Department of Public Safety, which is Arizona State Police, and rose my way up to being a lieutenant while I was in training in 1980.

00:27:44:03 - 00:28:09:14

LT Dave Smith

I was sitting around, you know, we had a really great video section there at DPS, and we were talking about the training quarterly, you know, which was a video training piece that went out every quarter to all the agencies in Arizona. And I just said, you know, be nice. We did a little safety tip or something humorous to break up our segment because we always talking heads, you know, and the group, the group because you have a they'll never let us do it.

00:28:09:14 - 00:28:28:12

LT Dave Smith

So we thought, well, let's just use the power of positive annoyance till they let us do it. And so sure enough, eventually we got a new director from Phenix, Tom Milstead came in and he said, Well, yeah, I'll give it a let's give it a shot, and boom, next thing I know I'm doing graduation is as Buck Savage in Denver.

00:28:28:13 - 00:28:50:11

LT Dave Smith

I'm going, you know, it's just amazing. And next thing. And so he loved it and Milstead loved it. You know, we were eventually named the top video unit in the United States. You know, it was just then that's what Director Milstead wanted. He wanted his agency. We had one of the top bomb techs in the world. And David, honestly, we had all these things that he that he promoted and he he really wanted his department to be the best.

00:28:50:13 - 00:29:12:06

LT Dave Smith

And at the same time, for me personally, you know, I grew and grew to learning more and more, and I eventually started teaching officer safety for Caliber press while I was still a sergeant in DPS, you know, And that cost me a couple marriages. But I guess that's the price of success. I don't know. But, you know, the thing is, it was a great adventure from that point on, and it always has been.

00:29:12:06 - 00:29:32:07

LT Dave Smith

I eventually went to law enforcement. I retired from DPS as a training commander, and I went to Dallas. Well, you know, the law enforcement television network doesn't exist anymore. So I keep the I bring this up and then everybody looks at me blankly. Nowadays. I keep forgetting how old I am, but these youngsters don't know what that was, gang.

00:29:32:07 - 00:29:41:23

LT Dave Smith

That was a very IRA. That was a it was the CNN for cops as well. We marketed that back when CNN actually did Real News.

00:29:42:00 - 00:29:42:15

J.D. Buck Savage

Well, really, there.

00:29:42:15 - 00:29:44:03

Wayne Mulder

Was a day that they did real news.

00:29:44:09 - 00:29:47:11

J.D. Buck Savage

There. Yes. You know, and you'd get that.

00:29:47:11 - 00:29:51:02

LT Dave Smith

Stegosaurus out of the way and you'd watch your show. Exactly right.

00:29:51:04 - 00:29:51:15

Wayne Mulder

On balance.

00:29:51:16 - 00:29:54:15

J.D. Buck Savage

Yeah, exactly.

00:29:54:17 - 00:30:13:23

LT Dave Smith

I take my nickel and go to the movie. So the thing is, is that it was so funny because we had a there was a satellite received, so it had these huge satellite dishes all around the United States and Canada. And we had 4000 agencies. This quarter of a million cops watched our programing and we would bring in the best trainers from around the country.

00:30:13:23 - 00:30:35:22

LT Dave Smith

It was great. And I think I like to think it was a quantum change in police training because from that point on, mediocrity wasn't accepted anymore. You know, there was no, you know, science side of the house, you know, no police, science, none of that stuff back then. And we really were bringing it all in, you know, and you saw start to sprout up everywhere.

00:30:35:22 - 00:30:54:10

LT Dave Smith

People was realizing, you know, let's look at motor learning science and how, you know, we brought Dr. Richard Schmidt in from UCLA, human Performance Labs to do learning theory and explain how to teach the cadets more effectively, how to teach skills more effectively. And these are all things we did that I dreamed of doing, you know, and and we did it.

00:30:54:12 - 00:30:58:00

LT Dave Smith

Unfortunately, along came something called the Internet.

00:30:58:02 - 00:30:58:17

J.D. Buck Savage

But you're all.

00:30:58:17 - 00:30:59:16

LT Dave Smith

On right now.

00:30:59:22 - 00:31:00:04

J.D. Buck Savage

Yeah.

00:31:00:04 - 00:31:13:20

LT Dave Smith

Which, which where it took me $10,000 to edit a half hour program and an edit suite with an editor and all the electronics. You could do it on an apple in 2 hours for nothing. You know, because those poor interns got paid.

00:31:13:24 - 00:31:15:00

J.D. Buck Savage

They were all they were all.

00:31:15:00 - 00:31:31:13

LT Dave Smith

Working their way through University, North Texas or or one of the universities there in town. And we had these free interns and we would have them do it, you know. And the problem is, I kept telling the management, you know, we got it, we got to get off the satellite. It's so expensive because when we started, the satellite was really cheap.

00:31:31:15 - 00:31:49:07

LT Dave Smith

But by the time we went out of business, satellite had gotten so expensive and it just drove the market. It goes out of market and we were too late to get into the Internet system is just if you study the nature of business, it's called the innovator's dilemma. You know, whatever your whatever technology you buy into, it costs you a lot of money.

00:31:49:11 - 00:31:50:01

J.D. Buck Savage

Right.

00:31:50:03 - 00:31:53:19

LT Dave Smith

The problem is technology isn't static, as we all know, right?

00:31:53:21 - 00:31:55:10

J.D. Buck Savage

You guys are you guys.

00:31:55:10 - 00:31:58:00

LT Dave Smith

Getting to a police car now? It looks like a cockpit.

00:31:58:02 - 00:31:59:10

J.D. Buck Savage

I was I didn't have.

00:31:59:10 - 00:32:25:01

LT Dave Smith

A portable radio. I got in my police car, guys. So you got to picture the nature of technology changes. So die now and corporations have to adapt or die. I went with we had we had purchased caliber press. I moved up to Chicago to run that. So I married my my police sergeant, you know, because every lieutenant needs a good sergeant, you know, I mean, just for simple things like that, which can be, you know, what do I eat with?

00:32:25:01 - 00:32:49:02

LT Dave Smith

You know, I'm really confused here. You know, I got my sergeant here, hill handed, and she had 29 years in a Chicago suburb. And it's just been a for me, a great adventure. When we when we the caliber sold, we were like, we can live anywhere. So she retired from her agency and we moved back to Tucson. And here I am back in Arizona, which used to be a really, really, you know, red state.

00:32:49:05 - 00:32:50:11

LT Dave Smith

Now, it's not.

00:32:50:13 - 00:32:56:03

Wayne Mulder

Yeah, I don't understand how Arizona is not. But that's a different nobody.

00:32:56:05 - 00:33:18:18

LT Dave Smith

Nobody understands it here. Nobody can guess what tensions growing because nobody trusts this election system. I work the election Betsy Betsy and I work the elections down here on the on the Tohono O'odham reservation. We worked at polling place and it is the most jury rigged deal you've ever seen in your life. It's it literally is. What was the name of those things?

00:33:18:20 - 00:33:22:19

LT Dave Smith

You know, Rube Goldberg Remember the Rube Goldberg YouTube?

00:33:22:20 - 00:33:29:10

Wayne Mulder

Dave Young Yeah, I'm probably too young for this, but I'm usually pretty good with historical things. But you got me on this one.

00:33:29:12 - 00:33:32:17

J.D. Buck Savage

Everybody pick up your phone and Google Rube Goldberg.

00:33:32:19 - 00:33:43:24

LT Dave Smith

And that's our voting system. Trust me, it's a maze. It's so ridiculous. And I never know when shocked we had no results for two weeks or three weeks because it's it's an overly engineered idiocy.

00:33:44:01 - 00:34:02:17

Wayne Mulder

What probably would help if the person running against the other candidate is it in the office that it runs the elections and then is the person that wins that election like I'm not a genius, I'm in law enforcement. I was a landscaper before this, so I just.

00:34:02:17 - 00:34:11:04

LT Dave Smith

Got common sense. Mr.. You're out the door here. You can't be using any of that. That's it. That's just the quantity quality Totally gone here.

00:34:11:06 - 00:34:13:02

J.D. Buck Savage

Yea yea. Yea.

00:34:13:04 - 00:34:16:12

LT Dave Smith

Yea. Way to reality base for us man.

00:34:16:14 - 00:34:18:09

J.D. Buck Savage

But yeah.

00:34:18:11 - 00:34:37:17

Wayne Mulder

You know, it's funny, speaking of all of this, one conversation I have with so many people is all these governors, all the like even Texas, Texas is in is red, is Texas should be like it's it's insane what's going on there. I mean you know one day I'm going to I'm going to call it an emergency and call National Guard or whatever and does nothing for like three months.

00:34:37:17 - 00:34:47:02

Wayne Mulder

So the prescription is see what Ron DeSantis is doing and do that. But if they would all do that, we would be set.

00:34:47:03 - 00:34:50:05

LT Dave Smith

Wait, is that called leadership? Yeah.

00:34:50:07 - 00:34:55:02

Wayne Mulder

That's called leadership. We're not cowering.

00:34:55:04 - 00:34:59:14

LT Dave Smith

And that baby and send it to Texas and Arizona, please.

00:34:59:15 - 00:35:00:17

J.D. Buck Savage

Out.

00:35:00:19 - 00:35:04:14

Wayne Mulder

I'm hoping we can accept. I don't want it to leave.

00:35:04:16 - 00:35:07:20

J.D. Buck Savage

I, I tell you what you know.

00:35:07:22 - 00:35:30:08

LT Dave Smith

Now see, this is the thing that's so funny to me is that whenever a wonderfully successful model like Florida comes along and I'm going to tell you in the middle of the COVID, then we went and visited friends and family in Florida to get the hell away from Arizona as ridiculous masking things. My daughter's a dentist, and very early on in person, you know, University of Michigan Dental School, they're very heavy into studying infection.

00:35:30:08 - 00:35:50:15

LT Dave Smith

And then dentists are kind of the the experts on the infection. Right. Because there's nothing filthier than the human mouth. And she wrote this long essay on the particles of a virus and the particles of the bacteria. Well, that mask that mask, you know what it does? It holds that bacteria against your nose, your mouth and your eyes.

00:35:50:20 - 00:35:52:03

J.D. Buck Savage

Yep. Oh, great.

00:35:52:08 - 00:36:15:01

LT Dave Smith

But it lets that virus pass right through. And at the same time, there was never any ever approval once again. Now, as as the quote, science is actually coming into it, we find that there was no efficacy of a mask whatsoever. And what's worse is there the vaccines themselves may make us far more long, long term harm than good.

00:36:15:03 - 00:36:27:03

LT Dave Smith

And when you're vaccinating people that aren't at risk, that then you're it's no longer a medical system, it's a fascist control system. And I'm going to say that word because I'm tired of people calling Republicans fascist.

00:36:27:03 - 00:36:28:00

J.D. Buck Savage

Study fish.

00:36:28:02 - 00:36:45:22

LT Dave Smith

Get a by a vowel, folks. Fascism is top down control. When the when the private sector, the media and the government all work together an administrative state to dictate to you what to do. Look up Italy, 1933. Okay. Just for fun and study some history.

00:36:45:24 - 00:36:46:04

J.D. Buck Savage

Yeah.

00:36:46:04 - 00:36:55:18

LT Dave Smith

Mussolini wasn't a fool. He was brilliant. And he created the fascist movement. And the thing was, he was so admired over here by the left gang.

00:36:55:20 - 00:36:57:16

J.D. Buck Savage

By the left? Yep.

00:36:57:16 - 00:37:08:21

LT Dave Smith

And that's the thing here. Still, I think they still admire that fascist, but they you. But like, all thing Saul Alinsky, you call your enemy what you are, you know, and that's why they're the first ones the name.

00:37:08:21 - 00:37:10:12

J.D. Buck Savage

Karl.

00:37:10:14 - 00:37:37:01

Wayne Mulder

Marx Even these documents with Biden, we're seeing that firsthand, that if you want to know what they're up to, look what they're accusing everybody else of. So, yeah, it's it's right out of Saul Alinsky is rules for radical. Absolutely is. Yeah. No, it's sad and it's a disaster. And the only way it's going to that the only chance you have is for people using Ron DeSantis as an example who are willing to actually stand up.

00:37:37:03 - 00:38:00:08

Wayne Mulder

2020 I was fortunate. Obviously I live in the state of Florida, so my experience was completely different anyone than most other people. And then we drove out to Wyoming and that was a great experience in Wyoming. But any time you left Wyoming, even for even Montana, it was like you guys have lost your mind up here. But because that summer of 2020, we went out to Wyoming and they still pretty much had it together.

00:38:00:08 - 00:38:05:01

Wayne Mulder

But the state's around there and we drove through Illinois and obviously that was what it is.

00:38:05:01 - 00:38:19:08

LT Dave Smith

But just we love it. We love Wyoming in it. So it's my it's my my favorite state now, you've actually bought property. I'm going to build up there because that's where we're all going to try to make it to gang when this all goes down.

00:38:19:08 - 00:38:20:18

J.D. Buck Savage

But the thing is.

00:38:20:20 - 00:38:51:16

LT Dave Smith

It was very free and just as was Florida. And the thing is, you know, we always have to do is, you know, what DeSantis is doing is proving that those conservative values really are basic American values for success and achievement and happiness. You know, you want to have a flourishing economy free that economy. The Americans, we have a wonderful sense of we work hard, except when you pay us not to work, which the government currently does, we're innovative.

00:38:51:16 - 00:39:11:19

LT Dave Smith

It is the reason China rips us off is because we're the innovative capital of this planet. And we used to be one of the top educational. Now we're down at the bottom when education became dogma. Instead of learning, we're in real trouble. You know, just think about it. You know, your grandfather probably studied Latin in high school. You're your great great grandfather.

00:39:11:19 - 00:39:37:12

LT Dave Smith

If he's working on a farm or a ransomware, he had probably a copy of Homer. You know, when de Tocqueville tours this country in the 1830s, he talked how the American he said all the Europeans mock the log cabin. He said, But I first read Henry the fifth, the Shakespearean play in a log cabin. Yup. Every log cabin the United States he went to, he said, had a Bible in either the works of Shakespeare or the works of Homer.

00:39:37:14 - 00:39:43:01

LT Dave Smith

And I'm not talking the cartoon. I'm real Homer here, guys.

00:39:43:03 - 00:39:43:11

J.D. Buck Savage

We're going to.

00:39:43:11 - 00:39:45:08

Wayne Mulder

Clarify for the current audience.

00:39:45:12 - 00:39:50:16

J.D. Buck Savage

Yeah, Yeah. Marge Anyway, that Oh, oh, I love it.

00:39:50:18 - 00:40:07:09

Wayne Mulder

Yeah. No, it's. It's true. In fact, there has been almost, I would argue, an intentional dumbing down of the American mind. I mean, and, you know, it's that whole quote, which I'm not even could try to say because I'll screw it up. But, you know, soft time's great. HARDMAN Amen. Great stuff. Times And, you know, we're all familiar with that.

00:40:07:09 - 00:40:29:19

Wayne Mulder

And it's so true. And that's that is our hope is that we actually get men of my age and younger to stand up for the love of God, speak truth, be willing to confront. I mean, the number of men that aren't willing to just simply say no men are men and women are women. And we're not that that's a nonstarter.

00:40:29:19 - 00:40:40:16

Wayne Mulder

We're not even going to pretend that your mental health problems are some sort of reality, you know, and just basic common sense. What would have been common sense, you know, years ago?

00:40:40:18 - 00:41:02:22

LT Dave Smith

Yeah. And like you said, that old saying common sense isn't very common anymore. You know, it's just the problem I have when you mentioned things like just the difference between the sexes, you know, the fact that you can't debate it without name calling tells you that dogma rather than intelligence involved. And that's one of the things that we got to stop accepting.

00:41:02:24 - 00:41:22:23

LT Dave Smith

You know, again, this is we talk about the idiocy. Well, this it's not just a matter of idiocy. If you remember in 84, 1984, the guy that was torturing Winston Smith, that the protagonist in the book, those you've never seen, it was the movie. It's the movie is pretty close to the book.

00:41:23:03 - 00:41:24:08

J.D. Buck Savage

Yeah.

00:41:24:10 - 00:41:45:16

LT Dave Smith

But they're torching him and he's trying to get him to say two plus two is five. And at one point he really lets the cat out of the bag. Or the ultimate point is, look, I don't want you to say it. I want you to believe it. And that's what's happened in our society. We not only do we have to say absurd things, they want us to believe absurd things.

00:41:45:18 - 00:41:48:02

LT Dave Smith

Stop doing it, people. Stop doing.

00:41:48:02 - 00:41:50:13

J.D. Buck Savage

It. Yeah. Yeah.

00:41:50:15 - 00:42:13:10

Wayne Mulder

So taking it full circle and with your experience and having been a shift commander, what what do agencies do? What is the future of law enforcement? What is the answer to this? Because you, you know, you have to and sometimes I draw a weird parallel, but I grew up in a rural well, I grew up in a city, but went to school in a rural part of Indiana and in a little church school.

00:42:13:10 - 00:42:32:00

Wayne Mulder

So I remember so often, you know, it's kind of like you're not of the world, you're in it, you know, that kind of thinking, you know? And so I kind of feel that way a lot of times as law enforcement that, yes, you're policing this, but you can't be part of the insanity. You have to be, as you kind of said, early on when we started this conversation, you know, you're there to enforce the laws.

00:42:32:00 - 00:42:41:14

Wayne Mulder

You're there to, you know, to represent something bigger than this issue that's going on. So what is the answer, looking at it maybe through that training lens?

00:42:41:16 - 00:42:59:16

LT Dave Smith

You know, as a trainer, you're here's the thing. You don't give a skill without giving the emotional component of that skill. If I'm teaching you to fight, you have to have the emotional component to be ready to fight, be willing to fight and win that confrontation. Just like I wouldn't teach you to shoot a gun for law enforcement unless you're mentally and emotionally prepared to use that.

00:42:59:16 - 00:43:18:08

LT Dave Smith

Why? What's the moral justification for using that gun to protect your life and the life of an innocent third person? No one has a right to take your life. We start talking about basic belief systems, and that's one of the problems that they tried to make sure we can't have any belief belief systems. You know, we talk about duty, honor, loyalty, selfless service, courage, strength.

00:43:18:10 - 00:43:38:15

LT Dave Smith

These are all things that we talk well, they're all the ethos or habits of warrior ship. Well, if you remember the Obama administration, they started the war on the warrior. It was all about take it out, let's be guardians, let's be Plato's guardians. And of course, because no one actually actually ever read Plato, because it's as boring as all get out and is very obtuse.

00:43:38:17 - 00:44:01:19

LT Dave Smith

And even if you were a philosophy major, I guarantee you bought the little synopses so you could pass to finally getting read that son of a gun Plato hated democracy. He didn't believe in it. He lived through the time of the tyranny. Athenian. The Athenian democracy collapsed. At one point. Two dictators, because that's what democracies do. People vote for the demagogue.

00:44:01:19 - 00:44:20:02

LT Dave Smith

People like in our society we're seeing today, if people are afraid, they give up their freedoms. And that's the thing that's happening in our society. We're giving up those values. These are things that we intuitively know. You know, our warriors went out and saved the world in two wars, and yet just a few decades later, we're throwing them under the bus.

00:44:20:02 - 00:44:43:07

LT Dave Smith

We're making them take vaccines and we're throwing seals out of the sea or throwing airborne people out of the airborne. We're throwing the very people that will keep you free and safe when the outside attacks. At the same time, internally, the people who keep you safe with a civil society you're throwing out because they say the wrong thing on Facebook or because they're too macho or because they did this or that, and you look for fault and then you want to take away the right to protect them.

00:44:43:10 - 00:45:15:18

LT Dave Smith

They have to use a force and then almost anything now. And we end up in a society that wants a super human being that this that somebody described as a guardian, except when you read what Plato said about the Guardians, it's the Gestapo, the KGB and all those other totalitarian influences are mindless robot bred and raised and living in a barracks ready, ready to enjoy, invoke the philosopher as king demands King's demands on those people who are merely of common souls.

00:45:15:18 - 00:45:34:18

LT Dave Smith

They're not golden sold or silver sold people. They're just, you know, bronze soul people. So you can't worry about them. They in other words, the common man is the being. And, well, America's got a grass roots fire going on and it's turning into a grass fire. And they better have to deal with it, because the thing is, is that Trump was not the cause.

00:45:34:18 - 00:45:55:12

LT Dave Smith

Trump was simply the what you might call the connector of Ideas. And he was sort of the tipping point where now you hear people articulate these kind of freedoms and articulate their concerns. People like you who say, Whoa, this is absurd. Why? And people that microphone. And that's the problem for them. That's why they have all these efforts to silence.

00:45:55:12 - 00:46:16:10

LT Dave Smith

Because you can't debate logic, you can't debate common sense. They are literally idiots with degrees. And we all can see that once they once people realize they are the naked emperor, they look stupid as all get out. But you've got to keep exposing them. And that's the thing. One of the great essays I read was to leave to seem the guy that wrote The Black Swan wrote a book, Intellectual yet Idiot.

00:46:16:12 - 00:46:27:04

LT Dave Smith

And it's a great I really recommend it to all of you. It's a great essay. It's free online. You can look it up intellectually to leave me seem I might have it backward and I seem to lead. Anyway. Again.

00:46:27:06 - 00:46:28:01

Wayne Mulder

We'll figure that out.

00:46:28:07 - 00:46:47:11

LT Dave Smith

Do many things. I know it's not a common name for Ibram, but the thing was he's brilliant, he's brilliant. Got multiple degrees and everything. He came here as a refugee from a terrorist war torn Lebanon. You know, it's a he kept saying everybody in Black Swan, as he describes, everybody kept saying, well, don't worry, this too shall pass.

00:46:47:13 - 00:47:02:05

LT Dave Smith

You know, there is no more Lebanon. So anyway, per se, it was so much for the Paris of the Pacific or the Paris of the Mediterranean, right. But anyway. Right. You know, we are a country we used to be the the land of the free, home of the brave, where the brave, you know. And we come in a nation of cowards.

00:47:02:05 - 00:47:24:24

LT Dave Smith

Stop it, folks. Yeah, but being a coward, raise your raise your children. Basic raised. I was raised by strong women. You know, my mom and my dad was a had been with the Marines in Korea. You know, he's a corpsman. You know and you know, the day she died, my mom, 85, still had a real estate office and was still active in the Republican Party and was getting ready for a art art exhibit on her paintings.

00:47:24:24 - 00:47:44:02

LT Dave Smith

There was going to be a big exhibit in town, and she was a member of the orchestra grille. She lived life to the fullest, you know, And that's the thing where many Americans get off your couch live, for God's sake, you know, and stand up for what you your kids are. Your kids won't have anybody that your grandkids especially, you know, they'll just be put on busses to go to reeducation camps.

00:47:44:02 - 00:48:06:04

LT Dave Smith

You know, this is frustrating me because people everybody needs to watch it. There's a half hour show produced by the guy that wrote, oh, a bunch of the Japanese novels that we all loved in the seventies. You know, I can't think of his name right now. Clavell James Clavell. And he was a prisoner of war. And in World War Two.

00:48:06:06 - 00:48:23:17

LT Dave Smith

And one day his daughter came in to him. He had moved the United States and he was writing screenplays and writing novels. A highly successful man, brilliant. And his daughter came in. She said, Listen, I did the Pledge of Allegiance, and she says it. She says, Now you have to give me a dime. Teacher says, If I say it right, you have to give me a dime.

00:48:23:19 - 00:48:44:17

LT Dave Smith

And he said, I'll give you a dime when you explain it. And his daughter couldn't explain it all. She could just say it by rote. Right? Well, he writes this, the children's story, James Clavell. Everybody should watch it as it came true. The teacher, the new Soviet style teacher, in essence. And I'll just tell you the quick plot in the show, the movie starts are the half hour.

00:48:44:17 - 00:49:05:09

LT Dave Smith

It's a TV show starts with the new teacher coming in from the new regime that just defeated the United States and in a half an hour, she destroys their faith in God. He just she destroys their faith in the United States. And he has and she has them tear up the flag of the United States. And you think I can just imagine when he first put that out in 1980, everybody mocked him.

00:49:05:11 - 00:49:16:00

LT Dave Smith

And nobody's saying it today because I think it's pretty much suppressed. But if you watch it, you say, So that's what happened. Yeah. And it's pretty depressing. A Children's story by James Clavell. Watch it.

00:49:16:02 - 00:49:34:05

Wayne Mulder

Yeah, I will dig into that and watch it. That that intrigues me because you've even seen it like the one thing you mention there, like with God, I mean, you just see it with the statistics of the Americans that believe in God. Just in the last two decades. I mean, the number keeps dropping. I think the most recent one, there's like 60 or 70%.

00:49:34:05 - 00:49:37:08

Wayne Mulder

I don't know, it's ridiculously low for what it was even 20 years on.

00:49:37:08 - 00:49:57:15

LT Dave Smith

And Phenix, Arizona, have some of the lowest church per capita attendance in the United States. And yet we have tons of, for instance, our Mexican American population. You know, the Mexico is the most Catholic country on the planet. Yeah. And so all these people have immigrated here and lost their faith. It's just terrible. What have we done to do that?

00:49:57:17 - 00:50:08:24

LT Dave Smith

And this is the kind of thing you wonder, know, we we better reaffirm our values, which are based on Judeo-Christian values, and instead we let them mock our beliefs.

00:50:09:01 - 00:50:16:07

Wayne Mulder

It's ridiculous when I think this is I mean, this is completely different podcast than I thought we were going to do. But I really love it because more.

00:50:16:07 - 00:50:17:05

LT Dave Smith

Depressing than they.

00:50:17:05 - 00:50:18:06

J.D. Buck Savage

Thought it was.

00:50:18:06 - 00:50:20:03

Wayne Mulder

Getting ready to change that. Stay with me here.

00:50:20:04 - 00:50:25:15

LT Dave Smith

Dave Smith That's a funny guy. I know you're going to tell people whether that guy has a what, a Debbie Downer he is.

00:50:25:15 - 00:50:27:19

J.D. Buck Savage

Yeah, exactly.

00:50:27:21 - 00:50:45:21

Wayne Mulder

So much for helping with mental health issues, with enforcement. No, I think it's an important conversation because it's something that I think about often. And I'm a I wasn't a political science major, but I grew up with my dad was a big talk radio guy. So my whole life I've listened to talk radio. I hated it when I was a kid.

00:50:45:21 - 00:51:00:09

Wayne Mulder

I was like, Now we turn that off and I listen. The country got older now. I love it, you know, and I listen to a lot of the guys, well, some of the past, but I listen to a lot of the guys that are still around that he listened to, like you mentioned, Mark Levin and Glenn Beck and obviously there's a lot of others now.

00:51:00:11 - 00:51:17:10

Wayne Mulder

So I say that to say that if one thing is to have knowledge and another thing is to take action. And I think that it is incumbent upon us, I love what you're saying with Plato, and quite frankly, I haven't read the works of Plato either.

00:51:17:12 - 00:51:36:01

LT Dave Smith

But you don't have to read his works. Just read Chapter five of the Republic. I think it's chapter five. I didn't know we were going to have to do all this intellectual stuff, right. Had done a review ahead of time, but just go to the Republic and I think it's chapter five or explains, you know, the actual or control of the philosopher king anyway.

00:51:36:03 - 00:51:54:22

Wayne Mulder

Well, I love that because it really is what we're seeing right now with this anti-mask liberty movement here in this country that's been going on for a while now. And it's good. And I talk about there was a writer that had used the term, you know, because that's part of it is we don't like the quote unquote negative sides of masculinity or the warrior culture or the.

00:51:54:22 - 00:51:57:03

LT Dave Smith

Toxic side of masculinity.

00:51:57:03 - 00:52:01:02

Wayne Mulder

Yeah, yeah. Toxic masculinity. A term I absolutely detest.

00:52:01:04 - 00:52:02:05

J.D. Buck Savage

Yeah, all.

00:52:02:07 - 00:52:33:23

Wayne Mulder

All very true. But, you know, we still want that what that produces. So, you know, we castrated. The quote from the book was we castrate the gelding, but better be fruitful. Well, that's not going to happen. You're not going to have a little little horses running around. So I think that there that this something that does actually apply to law enforcement and I do kind of want to give the listeners some hope, because I really do think that the bottom lying on all this is, yes, things don't look good.

00:52:34:00 - 00:52:57:02

Wayne Mulder

Yes, we could be seeing the end times of, you know, if that's your belief system or the end of Western civilization. But the other side of it is we still have some of these freedoms. We still have things like this podcast and other similar ones, and we can still stand up and so for those who are listening, I think that's an encouraging thing, at least in my opinion, that there's still a chance.

00:52:57:04 - 00:53:21:16

Wayne Mulder

It's that quote I was just actually just last week I was taking a lieutenant's exam and one of the books in there was that quote by Heraclitus that is well known, the one where he says, Of every 100 men in battle, ten should not even be there. 80 are nothing but targets. Nine are the real fighters. We are lucky to have them since they make the battle.

00:53:21:18 - 00:53:25:09

Wayne Mulder

But the one the one is the warrior and he brings the rest home.

00:53:25:11 - 00:53:26:11

LT Dave Smith

Mm hmm.

00:53:26:13 - 00:53:42:11

Wayne Mulder

At this point, most of us, when we're honest with ourselves, were the we're denying or the 80. You know, the goal is to get people to the 80. And we really need to get, you know, or I mean, the ten or the 80, we really need to get to being the nine, if not, you know, and if we're fortunate, we'll find the one.

00:53:42:11 - 00:53:50:02

Wayne Mulder

But I really think that is maybe the message that in my opinion, is very important. What are your thoughts?

00:53:50:04 - 00:54:09:10

LT Dave Smith

Yeah, I agree. You know, this isn't a debate today, that's for sure. We're having a rally. And the thing is, is that, you know, we talk about these things like you said, and you bring it up. Exactly. You know, the kind of things that I that I agree with, you know, that that warrior heroically, you know, all these you know, people just think of well, they were philosophers.

00:54:09:10 - 00:54:18:07

LT Dave Smith

They're historians, They were Greeks. They were ROMANS Well, they were all warriors. They were all you know, there was no the militia was the army. You know, the.

00:54:18:09 - 00:54:20:15

J.D. Buck Savage

Guy, you know, for, you know.

00:54:20:17 - 00:54:30:15

LT Dave Smith

World what's his name comes through the pass there to wipe out the Romans. You know, the guy from Carthage, what is his name now? I just that you know what I'm talking about.

00:54:30:15 - 00:54:32:10

Wayne Mulder

I know who you're talking about. And it's.

00:54:32:12 - 00:54:33:10

J.D. Buck Savage

A difficult time.

00:54:33:10 - 00:54:34:05

Wayne Mulder

I had.

00:54:34:07 - 00:54:56:08

LT Dave Smith

He comes across, he killed, he wipes out a Roman legion, you know, 5 to 7000 people, and two weeks later, they're the Roman citizens have produced two equally trained and prepared legions to face it. This is the thing. The Greeks, you know, the the Persians, you know, they brought their giant armies across long before the 310 years earlier.

00:54:56:08 - 00:55:07:08

LT Dave Smith

They got wiped out. They got there, just got smashed by the Athenians. And the Athenians are supposed to be, you know, the kind of market in the movie 300. But the Athenians were kick ass, too, you know, and they were.

00:55:07:08 - 00:55:07:23

J.D. Buck Savage

All.

00:55:08:00 - 00:55:25:05

LT Dave Smith

Citizen warriors, you know, these are these. The problem we have is, is that we are losing faith in those very things that make us foundation. And I think you have to stand up for what you believe, stand up, train your children to be, train your men to be strong, train your women to be strong. You know, all my kids are martial artists.

00:55:25:05 - 00:55:51:21

LT Dave Smith

And I just because I wanted them to have a foundation of the confidence that gave them. But as simple things, you know, we need to make sure they don't destroy our military. Look what they're trying to do. The Marine Corps, I understand you reminded me some minute ago and I, I when I found this quote that I sent to a friend the other day because we were talking about Korean War and and the Marine Corps and then how the Marines were, you know, because McCarthy immediately sent for the Marines, because the Army had been eviscerated after World War Two.

00:55:52:00 - 00:56:14:13

LT Dave Smith

People don't know this. The left did exactly the army what they did today. They tried to essentially feminize it. They if you were abused by a guy in your boot camp, your congressman would cut. Right. And that sergeant would be would be reprimanded and the Army had had to back off. Well, here comes the North Koreans with all these weapons and all these tanks.

00:56:14:13 - 00:56:34:20

LT Dave Smith

And there wasn't there wasn't an anti-tank gun on the Korean Peninsula on our side. So McCarthy says, let's get the Marines and a guy named t r Fehrenbach might take one of the best histories of the Korean War in a book called This Kind of War. But in the middle of it, I was reading, like I said, my dad was at the Marine and he loved his Marines more than life itself.

00:56:34:20 - 00:56:59:04

LT Dave Smith

And his last words were to me, his greatest achievement in life after being a physician, a professor of medicine, all these things, his last words were telling me about how he was so proud that he brought all his boys home alive, all he saved all of his Marines. The single greatest achievement of his life. Right. And what Fehrenbach wrote about when the Marines got there is that in 1950, a marine Corps officer was still an officer.

00:56:59:06 - 00:57:24:21

LT Dave Smith

The sergeant behave the way a good sergeants had behaved since the time of Caesar, expecting no nonsense, allowing none, and Marine leaders had never lost sight of their primary. Their only midship mission, which was to fight. And that's what we need. We need fighters, you know, we need cops that are ready to fight or nurture. You know, you're trained in the academy, you're ready to save a life in an accident or make a DUI arrest with physical force.

00:57:24:21 - 00:57:39:02

LT Dave Smith

But that's when you go there. No social workers come in with that set of skills. And that's the kind of thing the media ignores. The American public know in their hearts they need to get quit being cowards and start speaking up. Deny the lie, folks. Deny the.

00:57:39:02 - 00:57:40:04

J.D. Buck Savage

Lie.

00:57:40:06 - 00:58:02:22

Wayne Mulder

Yeah, I think that's great. I think it's absolutely powerful. And yeah, there's so many other things we could talk about. But I think even if we wrap it up there, I think that it definitely speaks to where we are as a country. And I've kind of felt like this has been the theme for 2023 last year, especially, you know, because we all thought this big red wave was coming, right?

00:58:02:23 - 00:58:06:06

Wayne Mulder

This was this red wave when we were going to vote ourselves out.

00:58:06:08 - 00:58:07:20

J.D. Buck Savage

Yeah, exactly.

00:58:07:22 - 00:58:13:17

Wayne Mulder

And we were going to vote ourselves out of this problem. Right. That they were that was what was going to have the.

00:58:13:17 - 00:58:16:15

LT Dave Smith

Pressure release valve of man. That's it.

00:58:16:17 - 00:58:37:11

Wayne Mulder

Right. And we're seeing now that that's not the answer. And even when you put them there, you know, 20 out of 435 is really all we had standing. So I think that for me and 2023, the real mantra, if you would, I don't necessarily like that word, but the real statement for the year is it's time to stand.

00:58:37:13 - 00:59:02:06

Wayne Mulder

I mean, it's not going to get any easier. And I really think that whether you're in law enforcement or whatever profession, whatever, calling you've been given our churches, if I've got ministers listening to me, I mean, we could go on for another hour on the failures there. I mean, it is time to stand in this country. And I really I love where we went with this conversation because even though maybe in some ways it was depressing, I think that the hope is you right.

00:59:02:06 - 00:59:05:08

Wayne Mulder

The hope is the individual listening to the show right now.

00:59:05:10 - 00:59:24:04

LT Dave Smith

Yeah, that's always been America's strength because we're individualists and that's the thing. Be your individual gang, but then state be proud of what your beliefs are. There's all these little snipers I find everywhere they they sit on the side, they're on Facebook, they're everywhere, and they want to and some of them are liberal. They're just, you know, they're elitist conservatives.

00:59:24:10 - 00:59:43:01

LT Dave Smith

And all they want to do is denigrate and snipe and attack ideas. They offer nothing. But at the same time, they're so good up on the Hill shooting down at you. And that's the kind of thing, folks, ignore them, keep going, believe in what you do, your mission, you know. And again, duty, honor, loyalty, selfless service, courage, strength.

00:59:43:01 - 01:00:02:22

LT Dave Smith

That's that's the thing. We are the selfless servants of our society, whether they want to acknowledge it or not. That's your mission to go out there and keep America free. Your mission, you know, that's the whole thing. You know, if you're out there worried about being prosecuted by, your own county attorney, that that makes it pretty difficult to do our job in America and stop doing it.

01:00:02:22 - 01:00:12:13

LT Dave Smith

Stop hamstringing the people who keep you free. Are you frankly, you just won't be free. You have a bunch of guardians of the load you on a bus and send you to camp for reeducation.

01:00:12:15 - 01:00:12:22

J.D. Buck Savage

Yep.

01:00:13:02 - 01:00:16:03

LT Dave Smith

Don't don't laugh about it because think about it.

01:00:16:05 - 01:00:26:17

Wayne Mulder

Well, and yeah. And the thing is, is the there's older people who've seen you know, we saw the earth that saw what happened in like China, you know, with the reeducation and you know, there's.

01:00:26:17 - 01:00:27:01

J.D. Buck Savage

Still.

01:00:27:01 - 01:00:28:02

LT Dave Smith

Happening in China.

01:00:28:07 - 01:00:36:07

Wayne Mulder

Well, yeah, but it's, it's happened, you know. And so to pretend like it can't happen here is foolishness at best. So no.

01:00:36:09 - 01:01:01:19

LT Dave Smith

In his great book, Escape from Freedom, Erich Fromm said, you know, the German people just literally found freedom too hard and they surrendered it to Hitler, you know, And that's the problem. Don't surrender your freedoms because you're afraid. Fight for your freedoms, baby. Your great grandkids, you know, think they multigenerational. We say that fast. Think multi generationally for a while instead of just about what your next your next hamburgers coming from.

01:01:01:21 - 01:01:07:21

Wayne Mulder

I couldn't agree more what is next for you in your projects any more writing or anything else that the listeners can be looking for?

01:01:07:23 - 01:01:32:12

LT Dave Smith

Hi I'm an article behind as we speak, writing for America out loud and at the same time I still do the back page for Police magazine. I got it. You know, we just went to a bi monthly instead of a monthly program, so that took some of the writing pressure off me. But I'm also I got all kinds of they get involved in politics locally here to try to help unify my party and help us become strong.

01:01:32:12 - 01:01:53:20

LT Dave Smith

You know, the the thing is, is it should be pretty unilateral decision how you vote as a cop. But I you know I guess said I don't understand it We we have a Democratic Party that espouses values, beliefs and a platform that's not even of this planet. You know, the Greenham I remember back, I don't have a time we have, but I just got to.

01:01:53:20 - 01:01:59:22

Wayne Mulder

See it all the time in the world. I just normally start wrapping up around this time. But we got all the time in the world. That kid guy you turn that you're trying to.

01:01:59:22 - 01:02:02:08

LT Dave Smith

Get to lunch, you know that Smith never shut.

01:02:02:08 - 01:02:03:12

J.D. Buck Savage

Up. But the thing.

01:02:03:12 - 01:02:23:24

LT Dave Smith

Is, you know, I remember I, I was at the law enforcement network. I came out a studio and I had a magazine. I used to get the Freemen back then, and I got it. And I sat down on my desk and I read an article on Green is the new read and how all the socialists and Communists were attracted to this new Green movement.

01:02:24:01 - 01:02:37:05

LT Dave Smith

And I thought it was an interesting strategy, but I thought, you know, I don't know how that's going to work for them because it's still it's kind of abstract, you know, save the planet and give up your freedoms. You know, those two, that's an odd, you know, dynamic.

01:02:37:07 - 01:02:39:03

J.D. Buck Savage

And yet what are.

01:02:39:03 - 01:03:04:17

LT Dave Smith

They talking about today? Save the planet, give up your freedoms, sell your car, take public transport, which, by the way, just for you people. Yeah. When I studied this in college in the early seventies, that's how old I am there had never been. And to this day and 2023, when we're at least when we're recording this, there's never been a profitable public transportation system.

01:03:04:19 - 01:03:19:24

LT Dave Smith

Americans don't like it. We want to be in our car. We're individualists. And if they finally make a society where people will just sit on a bus and ride around, maybe maybe that's their goal. Ultimately, we'll see. But you people don't tolerate it. Stand up against it.

01:03:20:01 - 01:03:20:17

J.D. Buck Savage

Yeah.

01:03:20:19 - 01:03:22:24

Wayne Mulder

Oh, it very clearly is their goal.

01:03:23:01 - 01:03:25:02

J.D. Buck Savage

Yeah, Yeah, right.

01:03:25:07 - 01:03:31:08

LT Dave Smith

I know I got to quit speaking in indirect passive sentences, but I need to get actors. It is their goal grabber.

01:03:31:08 - 01:03:35:11

Wayne Mulder

It may not be here yet, but it absolutely is.

01:03:35:13 - 01:03:35:24

LT Dave Smith

You know.

01:03:36:00 - 01:03:37:08

J.D. Buck Savage

Exactly right. Yeah, well.

01:03:37:08 - 01:03:44:16

Wayne Mulder

Those that are buying into, you know, ESG scores and all of this, you know, the like you said, that Gray is the new.

01:03:44:18 - 01:04:07:02

LT Dave Smith

Oh, man. It's all it's all become absurd. And they're teach our kids to hate each other. And they yeah, it's just crazy, you know? And I got to tell you, it to me, it's so frustrating. We are so passive. Where's the party that's supposed to be defending us? Stand against us. You know, in Arizona, we had a couple of dynamic young people running on platforms that you and I would absolutely cheer.

01:04:07:04 - 01:04:16:21

LT Dave Smith

And they got no support whatsoever from the party. None. None whatsoever. And it just frustrates me. So that's when I decided to take action. I'm involved now.

01:04:16:23 - 01:04:21:13

Wayne Mulder

That's awesome. And we're going to go to learn more about what you're doing with all that.

01:04:21:15 - 01:04:43:11

LT Dave Smith

Well, I'm the county chairman for the Pima County, Arizona, Tucson's GOP, and we've got a whole we put a whole slate together of like minded America, first type people. You know, we're only 60 miles. People don't understand that. Tucson, when I was a young cop, I you know, you're everyone's idealistic when you hit the street, you know, until you hit the street.

01:04:43:11 - 01:05:07:00

LT Dave Smith

And then all of a sudden reality slaps all that sociology out of your head, you know? And I just remember thinking, Boy, my criminology professor, I had a Dean Road Jack who was a communist, you know, And and so, you know, crime was created by the friction of capital ism, you know, the haves versus the have nots. It's just and I went back to him and I said, you know, I'm about six months in as a cop.

01:05:07:00 - 01:05:32:10

LT Dave Smith

And I'm like, you know, the classical right crime's a rational choice. Rational choice theory is 100% right. And anybody who's actually been out of the university parking lot would have seen this. Yeah. And I invited him to come right along with me in my midtown beat. And, you know, just the time you walk into our briefing and you'd look at our hot sheet, back in those days, there was wasn't a computer anywhere around, you know.

01:05:32:12 - 01:05:49:12

LT Dave Smith

Right. And you pick up your hard copy hard sheet and you look at the rapes, you look at the robberies and you look at all the suspects and you realize, man, all these people, they come across the border, they prey on our people and they go back across. To this day, the cartels, you know, run southern Arizona. And at that point, it's cold and please come.

01:05:49:12 - 01:06:07:03

LT Dave Smith

Right. And he did not. Of course, it is that one thing about a good liberals, they don't let reality interfere with their belief system in any way whatsoever. And I learned that in 1975. And I've never given up that belief that good liberal boy they'll hold on to irrational concepts all their lifetime. Yeah.

01:06:07:05 - 01:06:27:01

Wayne Mulder

Well, with this current crop, which I don't even know if they're because they're illiberal, but with this current crop, they it's a cult like it literally is a call its its own belief system when you were talking about the masking thing. Neil deGrasse Tyson I mean essentially a genius level, you know, as far as intellectual.

01:06:27:03 - 01:06:30:00

LT Dave Smith

Joe Me, he's a genius. Show me his real science. But go ahead.

01:06:30:00 - 01:06:33:08

Wayne Mulder

Well, fair enough. But yeah, the stuff he was batting off the other day.

01:06:33:09 - 01:06:40:05

LT Dave Smith

One of those. He's a contrivance. You're right. I know it. Yeah. No, I'm teasing, But. But, yeah.

01:06:40:07 - 01:06:40:20

J.D. Buck Savage

You're right.

01:06:40:23 - 01:06:59:12

Wayne Mulder

Yeah. He was spouting off the other day about the mask in complete. Well, in the end, with taking the. The shot that, you know, still could limit your getting the virus and so forth, which is they disproved themselves 18 months ago. They came and said maybe we were wrong on this.

01:06:59:14 - 01:07:29:12

LT Dave Smith

So the nature of science is to question science all the time. The minute Fauci said I am science, he was discredited by every real scientist on the planet who had the guts to say it again. You know, you remember that in the Soviet Union, he Stalin outlawed scientific thought unless it matched the party dogma. You know, Lambros, in theory that plants could be educated, plants can be taught to cooperate, or that there was no it was a very plait.

01:07:29:12 - 01:07:58:11

LT Dave Smith

Plato platonist a dream that that things like human nature are nonexistent in nature is not exist. You can everything's malleable and you know millions starved in the Ukraine read Red famine, you know, and all these things. You just you realize that there's an idiocy to all of this. And at the same time, thousands and thousands of scientists were executed for trying to be correct and bring in millions starved because of that very that very thing.

01:07:58:11 - 01:08:18:09

LT Dave Smith

You know, making a joke in the Soviet Union became a crime. Right. It's a crime in the United States. If they don't take you away, they just destroy your life they destroy your income, they injure your family financially, which is why. What's the difference between that and the gulag? Yeah. You know, I read a book called A Mountain of Crumbs, and she talks about how one of her relatives made a joke in a bar.

01:08:18:09 - 01:08:39:11

LT Dave Smith

Right. He went home that night. The KGB showed up. They took him away. He said, Don't worry, it's okay. It's just a joke, guys. And then they contacted the where he'd been shot trying to escape a joke. Right? And yet the joke in the Soviet Union was that Stalin laughed at the jokes and collected the jokers. Here in the United States, we don't collect you, we just destroy you.

01:08:39:13 - 01:09:06:22

LT Dave Smith

We just call you names and then we destroy you. So it's. We're in an odd world. Gang started laughing. Start telling jokes In the Soviet Union, the passive way that people fought back was to form something called the anecdote. The anecdote, which was which meant it sort as a joke, cynical joke about Stalin or the government. And at one point, Stalin had the KGB go out to one side of Moscow and then measure when the joke reached the other side.

01:09:06:22 - 01:09:07:19

LT Dave Smith

6 hours, it.

01:09:07:19 - 01:09:11:12

J.D. Buck Savage

Took for a joke to get to the other side of Moscow.

01:09:11:16 - 01:09:30:06

LT Dave Smith

It literally was the power of the powerless to make jokes about. And the government, you know. Yeah. And and it's it's it's funny, but it's sad because that's where we're headed. You and I have to make jokes, make sure our computers off and our Alexa is asleep, you know, and right.

01:09:30:08 - 01:09:32:22

Wayne Mulder

Yeah. My phone and everything else for that matter.

01:09:32:24 - 01:09:35:09

LT Dave Smith

Yes, absolutely. Down right here.

01:09:35:11 - 01:09:59:07

Wayne Mulder

No, you're so right. And it is interesting that literally standing up to tyranny at this day and age is really that simple, whether it's joking or just being willing to speak truth. I mean, we're not to the point that your life is dependent on it. So if you're not going to stand up now, when and it's pretty simple to be able to stand up and be the other side of this because it truly is insanity.

01:09:59:09 - 01:10:18:16

LT Dave Smith

Exactly right. Just to stand up. But remember what you believe and the spouses tell people what you believe. You know, this is the problem. We don't live up. Live up to your dreams, live up to your beliefs, live up to your values. Don't don't, don't hide in your closet, you know, with your with your classified papers.

01:10:18:18 - 01:10:37:09

Wayne Mulder

Yes. Or hide them next to your Corvette. So I usually end with one final question, but we've answered it about a dozen different ways. But I'm going to give it to you anyway to give us one final thing. So what is the one take away the one thing that law enforcement officers can do that's going to make a difference in their personal lives?

01:10:37:10 - 01:10:57:00

LT Dave Smith

You know, and that's one of the things we talk about because we're a we're a very active and wounded blue and all the other things for officers that are suffering in this day and age is this remember, you're not just a cop, you're a sister, a brother, a mother, a father. You have all these life things. And that's, again, Dr. Gail Martin, who maybe the most brilliant police psychologist I had the good fortune.

01:10:57:00 - 01:11:22:17

LT Dave Smith

He was my departmental contract psychologist. And I went to him all stressed and depressed about how the department treated me, you know, And he just, in essence, said, look you know, you love being a cop but don't love your agency. You're not that's not an adult relationship. Love your family, love your dog, love your God. Love what do and care about each other in work, you know, but don't love the agency because it can't love you back.

01:11:22:17 - 01:11:44:19

LT Dave Smith

It's not your agency's job to love you even. And so these officers, we get overly emotionally invested in the wrong thing that can't give us any back or nurture us back. Love the things that love you back and focus your life. Remember, you're a fisherman, a hunter, your gardener, you're a writer. Your you're all these things in your life.

01:11:44:19 - 01:12:05:20

LT Dave Smith

You're a friend. Others just remember that and go practice those things more. You know, that's that's so important. I love to cook. That's become my hobby. I love to hunt, never get drawn anymore. What the hell's that about, anyway? The thing is, do the things that are your positive stress in your life and it'll help you cope with the negative stress and refocus your priority is.

01:12:05:20 - 01:12:11:10

LT Dave Smith

And also you got a two you got two days off three years ago. If you're going to bed, still thinking about.

01:12:11:10 - 01:12:12:19

J.D. Buck Savage

It, stop it.

01:12:12:21 - 01:12:15:18

LT Dave Smith

You're given that guy who gave you days off power.

01:12:15:18 - 01:12:18:05

J.D. Buck Savage

Over your life. It doesn't do it.

01:12:18:06 - 01:12:33:18

LT Dave Smith

He or she is not going to bed thinking about you. You don't go to bed thinking about them. Release it. Let it go, let it go and live. Just get up tomorrow when you're already warriors, be proud of it. Go out and do it. Live your life.

01:12:33:20 - 01:12:39:07

Wayne Mulder

That is such great advice. Thank you, Dave. I could literally sit here and talk to you for hours, so thank you.

01:12:39:07 - 01:12:42:01

LT Dave Smith

That's therapy for me. I'm feeling better already.

01:12:42:03 - 01:12:43:16

J.D. Buck Savage

Oh, great. Good.

01:12:43:16 - 01:12:53:06

Wayne Mulder

I love it. Well Thank you so much for coming on. I'll be sure to link everything up for the listeners, and I really appreciate your time. So just thank you again and hopefully we can maybe do this again someday.

01:12:53:08 - 01:12:55:20

LT Dave Smith

Any time, any time. Thank you.

01:12:55:22 - 01:13:17:02

Wayne Mulder

Thanks, Dave. So how was that? I hope you enjoyed this conversation. It was truly a pleasure to sit down. I tell you, you probably I did more laughing and just it was like sitting down with a friend and just having a beer with them. Right? Neither one of us were drinking, but it just kind of felt like that, even though with the depressing topics maybe we should have been, but maybe next time.

01:13:17:02 - 01:13:35:20

Wayne Mulder

So thank you for watching. Thank you for listening. Remember, if you actually want to see these videos, if you want to see some of the content I throw in there, make sure that you're actually watching these, which they're available on YouTube and Rumble. You can always start with everything on the blue line dot com and just go to the show notes page and everything is linked up to every episode in there.

01:13:35:22 - 01:13:52:03

Wayne Mulder

Thank you. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you so much for watching and coming back week after week. Don't forget that. I'll see you next Monday morning in Roll Call and next Thursday in the interview room. But in the meantime, as as always, I'm going to see you out there on the blue line.

Wayne Mulder
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