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Jarrod Anderson
Meet this Weeks Guest: Jarrod Anderson
Jarrod is a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt and has over 20 years of experience in martial arts ranging from Jiu-Jitsu, Judo, Boxing, Muay Thai, Wrestling and Self-Defense tactics. He began learning Martial Arts as a kid from his father. In high school, Jarrod and his friends were always in and out of trouble, fighting, and drinking which allowed him to see the negatives of living that lifestyle.
In 2009, he was sick of living that life and decided to focus on Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and moved to Florida. Since then, he has competed at the highest levels of the sport, managed multiple gyms and became a well-respected instructor around the state of Florida. He was very active with the Paradox Training Solutions combatives courses as well as the shooting courses provided by some of the top instructors. He enjoyed this opportunity to train with these amazing officers and instructors to help law enforcement officers increase their combatives knowledge and proficiency with firearms. He strives to share his knowledge and expertise with the LE community as well as help citizens better prepare for the harsh realities of the violent world we live in.
To continue this mission, Jarrod has recently started Apex Combat Solutions LLC. Combatives training for Law Enforcement and Civilians.
Show Notes from This Episode
We know first-hand the struggle of trying not to take the job home with us and let it affect our families. We know the toll the law enforcement career can have on marriages and relationships. And we also have been frustrated by the lack of authentic leadership in our agencies. This Law Enforcement Podcast was designed to help you overcome the mental toll of the law enforcement career and the negative effects it can have on your personal life.
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00:00:12:13 - 00:00:33:15
Wayne Mulder
All right. Welcome, my friend, to the On The Blue Line podcast for law enforcement. I am your host Wayne Mulder, and welcome. If you're watching this on YouTube or Rumble, welcome. I know you're like, This guy's lost his mind. These guys had eye backwards. He's got a pair of glasses. We'll get into all of that later. But then this week's episode, three questions we're going to answer.
00:00:33:21 - 00:00:53:06
Wayne Mulder
How often should law enforcement training in Brazilian jiu jitsu do younger generations rely too heavily on their tools rather than defensive tactics? You can probably guess the answer to that one. And what is the most important skill for all of law enforcement? The On the Blue Line podcast starts now.
00:00:58:06 - 00:01:22:06
Wayne Mulder
All right. Well, welcome back. I'm not going to waste a lot of time. That's my promise in bringing you up to speed. It has been one quarter of the year, three months that you have not heard from me. And I apologize to you. But the short version, the succinct version, the to the point version of what has occurred is too much.
00:01:22:12 - 00:01:48:13
Wayne Mulder
That's the short answer. In a short time, I had some opportunities in my day job that led to a promotion. I had some opportunities in the education space that led to starting towards my graduate degree. And then of course, there is all the peripheral stuff that comes with life. So those three things all coming together in a confluence at the beginning of 2023 led to me having to make some choices.
00:01:48:13 - 00:02:07:16
Wayne Mulder
And that was though this is the most important thing, the On the Blue Line podcast and what I'm hoping this will become. I had to pause for a moment, but that does not mean that content paused in any way, shape or form. So I'm here to tell you and happy to tell you that new content was being recorded the entire time.
00:02:07:16 - 00:02:22:03
Wayne Mulder
And the first thing I want to do is get some of these older episodes out to you, and that is what you're listening to the day. So the first few of these episodes you're going to hear over the coming weeks are all episodes that were recorded, some of them even the end of last year. So I apologize that they're not timely.
00:02:22:11 - 00:02:42:21
Wayne Mulder
However, as you know, the content in so many of these podcast is stuff that can benefit us in our everyday lives. And I think you're going to get something out of this no matter when you last listened or when these were recorded. And of course, I'll be talking more in Morning Roll Call about my life and what's been going on and give you a little bit more depth.
00:02:43:05 - 00:03:07:05
Wayne Mulder
So without taking in more time, let's get to this week's guest. It's Jarrod Anderson. He goes by Coach Jarrod. Yeah, let me try that one more time. This time in English Coach Jarrod BJJ on Instagram. Since we recorded this episode, he has started his own company, which is Apex Combat Solutions LLC. Apex Combat Solutions.
00:03:07:05 - 00:03:10:14
Wayne Mulder
I want you to be sure to go down to the show notes. Be sure to click.
00:03:10:14 - 00:03:36:21
Wayne Mulder
On what he's got going on and check it out. But he is a Brazilian jiu jitsu black belt and has over 20 years of experience in the martial arts, including jiu jitsu, judo, boxing, mai tai wrestling, self-defense tactics and so forth. And that really is a lot to do with what we talk about in this episode. We get into some of the training courses and what his goal was, and at the time that we recorded this episode.
00:03:37:03 - 00:03:37:20
Wayne Mulder
It was really.
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Wayne Mulder
A lot about what he was hoping to do next. And the good.
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Wayne Mulder
News is, is.
00:03:42:15 - 00:03:45:18
Wayne Mulder
He did it. So without taking any more time, let's hear what Jarrod
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Wayne Mulder
Has to say. Here's this.
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Wayne Mulder
Week's guest.
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Wayne Mulder
Jarrod Anderson.
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Wayne Mulder
All right. Well, Jarrod, welcome to the show.
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Jarrod Anderson
Thank you. Thanks for having me.
00:03:53:08 - 00:04:00:06
Wayne Mulder
Yeah, this is going to be a great conversation. I think we got a lot of things in common. And of course, you were recommended from.
00:04:00:06 - 00:04:05:12
Wayne Mulder
A great guy. Yeah. Mr. Ferguson, Her Fergie. Yes. He likes to go by, so, yeah, I'm pretty awesome.
00:04:05:12 - 00:04:06:01
Jarrod Anderson
He's the man.
00:04:06:13 - 00:04:09:06
Wayne Mulder
He absolutely is. So I'm looking forward to this conversation.
00:04:10:15 - 00:04:15:11
Wayne Mulder
Let's let's start, Jared, where I always do coffee or tea.
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Jarrod Anderson
Coffee.
00:04:16:24 - 00:04:20:23
Wayne Mulder
Okay. Now is it black coffee or are you a sugar in your coffee? Kind of black.
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Jarrod Anderson
Coffee.
00:04:21:20 - 00:04:23:17
Wayne Mulder
All right. Where is your.
00:04:23:17 - 00:04:28:05
Wayne Mulder
Favorite place to have that cup of coffee? Where's that place that brings you rest, relaxation?
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Jarrod Anderson
Oh, man. What are what are those things? I know. I see my. My cup. My coffee is either getting slammed in my kitchen in the morning or on the way to work. So I don't have a peaceful place where I drink it.
00:04:42:06 - 00:04:48:06
Wayne Mulder
Okay, Well, it is interesting, you know, and it is funny. I do interview a lot of guys who are retired from.
00:04:48:06 - 00:04:48:24
Wayne Mulder
Law enforcement.
00:04:49:07 - 00:04:53:23
Wayne Mulder
And they're the ones that are typically, you know, like standing on the back deck enjoying nature.
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Jarrod Anderson
Oh, yeah.
00:04:55:05 - 00:04:56:22
Wayne Mulder
That's the goal eventually, I think, for all of us.
00:04:57:06 - 00:04:57:24
Jarrod Anderson
Absolutely.
00:04:59:07 - 00:05:01:20
Wayne Mulder
So do you have a best or worst travel story?
00:05:03:01 - 00:05:27:03
Jarrod Anderson
Oh, best or worst travel story. So this one is actually an interesting one. So back in, I think it was 2012 or 2013, I was competing at the World Championships out in California, but it was in the middle of the flight. We got redirected and landed in Arizona and nobody knew why. We found out that's from the L.A. airport.
00:05:27:03 - 00:05:28:17
Wayne Mulder
Shooting was Oh, no.
00:05:29:01 - 00:05:59:01
Jarrod Anderson
And so now I was flying into L.A. as that happened. And so, you know, luckily that situation got handled pretty quickly. But the aftermath of of obviously with the shooting of especially active shooter situation, it's not just over and okay, go back to normal. Obviously, there's different things that go on and everything well. So they let us land but vehicles weren't able they had a five mile perimeter around the airport itself so you could leave.
00:05:59:07 - 00:06:18:00
Jarrod Anderson
But in order to leave, you were walking. And so we had thought we had flown in and I was competing early the next morning. And so obviously our flight was diverted and then we had to get back in the air and land in L.A. and then only to walk five miles with my my luggage and everything and get picked up after, you know, outside of a perimeter.
00:06:18:07 - 00:06:34:07
Jarrod Anderson
So that's probably my my worst travel story is just having to compete early the next morning and, you know, getting that five mile walk in and having to deal with all this stuff, I'm not going to make it. There am I going to have to drive from Arizona to there to make it in time? So it was it was hectic.
00:06:34:15 - 00:06:40:16
Wayne Mulder
Yeah, I can imagine. Yeah. Just the mileage you put on your feet walking through an airport.
00:06:40:16 - 00:06:42:17
Wayne Mulder
You have to walk outside that perimeter.
00:06:42:18 - 00:06:43:18
Jarrod Anderson
Yeah, exactly.
00:06:43:20 - 00:06:59:24
Wayne Mulder
I had a I've got a family member who's a pilot and to save some money. One time he suggested I park an employee parking, but I didn't have any kind of bus pass or anything. So at the Atlanta airport, I was in the far end of the employee parking and walked from there to my terminal. Yeah, Yeah. Got a little exercise.
00:06:59:24 - 00:07:00:21
Wayne Mulder
And that day, for sure.
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Jarrod Anderson
You had that.
00:07:01:16 - 00:07:02:14
Wayne Mulder
You feel your pain?
00:07:02:22 - 00:07:18:22
Jarrod Anderson
Yeah, but like, I grew my both my parents worked for the airlines when I was growing up. And so we always would fly standby. So I've got a lot of horrible stand by stories where you don't make the flight. So definitely I'd much rather drive when I travel.
00:07:18:22 - 00:07:21:20
Wayne Mulder
Now I'm with you, depending on how far it is.
00:07:21:20 - 00:07:22:08
Jarrod Anderson
Yeah, for.
00:07:22:08 - 00:07:23:22
Wayne Mulder
Sure. I fly to Denver next week, but.
00:07:24:12 - 00:07:25:20
Wayne Mulder
You know, depending on how far.
00:07:25:20 - 00:07:27:21
Wayne Mulder
That trip is, I'm with you. I would much rather drive.
00:07:28:01 - 00:07:29:07
Jarrod Anderson
Yeah.
00:07:29:07 - 00:07:29:19
Wayne Mulder
So do you have.
00:07:29:19 - 00:07:35:17
Wayne Mulder
A most meaningful modern nonfiction book?
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Jarrod Anderson
Oh, you know what? I actually just got done reading of the Jack car series, so I. My research. Yeah, The Essential List and all of the books that went beyond that. And and I actually became a huge fan of his throughout the books and does I'd say those are my goals are right as of right now those are my favorite ones.
00:07:56:13 - 00:08:01:02
Wayne Mulder
Oh yeah no I would never in the fiction genre I agree 100%. Yeah.
00:08:01:02 - 00:08:02:02
Jarrod Anderson
He and then.
00:08:03:04 - 00:08:05:18
Wayne Mulder
I worked with a corporal that turned me on to that.
00:08:06:01 - 00:08:07:05
Jarrod Anderson
Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
00:08:07:07 - 00:08:09:00
Wayne Mulder
Great. Did you watch the TV show?
00:08:09:09 - 00:08:10:18
Jarrod Anderson
Yeah, My child.
00:08:10:24 - 00:08:12:07
Wayne Mulder
Did you? I, like, feel like it.
00:08:13:05 - 00:08:24:07
Jarrod Anderson
My mother was like, Oh, obviously there was a lot of there was a lot of differences and stuff. But I it was it was close, but I definitely think the book got more out of the book.
00:08:24:15 - 00:08:27:18
Wayne Mulder
Yeah, you always do. Like there's so much more depth to them.
00:08:28:05 - 00:08:38:07
Jarrod Anderson
Absolutely. But I'd be I mean if, if he comes out with another series I'll definitely be watching that too. I think that was great. I like those kind of shows anyway.
00:08:38:07 - 00:08:51:06
Wayne Mulder
So yeah, I agree with you. Well, I was a little bit heartened and not to give anything away for anyone who hasn't seen it yet, but you definitely got to watch the terminal list at the end there where they showed the scene with him on the the sailing vessel.
00:08:51:13 - 00:08:51:21
Jarrod Anderson
Yeah.
00:08:52:08 - 00:08:55:10
Wayne Mulder
It feels like they're opening it up for something else.
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Jarrod Anderson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:08:56:21 - 00:09:00:18
Wayne Mulder
So I'm hopeful as well that there will be another one. Another movie in that series.
00:09:00:24 - 00:09:02:21
Jarrod Anderson
Yeah, absolutely.
00:09:02:21 - 00:09:05:24
Wayne Mulder
So we kind of touched on this a little bit, but what is that.
00:09:05:24 - 00:09:11:07
Wayne Mulder
Place that brings you the most piece, like your favorite spot to kind of stop, breathe and enjoy life?
00:09:11:15 - 00:09:26:16
Jarrod Anderson
Um, as hectic as it sounds, I would say training, training, doing jujitsu, doing any of the combatives training that I've been involved with now and just like is, is as chaotic as it sounds, it's very peaceful for me.
00:09:27:05 - 00:09:41:19
Wayne Mulder
You are not the first person to say that. It is really amazing that guys that regularly practice BJJ, they all pretty much say the same thing. I had Adam Hattori on the podcast. In fact, his is going to release the listeners that will have already released by the time you're listening to this one.
00:09:42:00 - 00:09:42:05
Jarrod Anderson
Okay.
00:09:42:09 - 00:09:49:08
Wayne Mulder
And yeah, and Adam said exactly the same thing, his favorite places there on the mats and most peaceful places right there on the mat there.
00:09:49:10 - 00:09:50:04
Jarrod Anderson
I have to agree.
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Wayne Mulder
So let's start.
00:09:51:09 - 00:09:51:23
Wayne Mulder
A little bit.
00:09:52:06 - 00:09:58:02
Wayne Mulder
With your story. We talked offline that you're from the north. Yep, currently in the south.
00:09:58:02 - 00:10:00:09
Wayne Mulder
But start wherever kind of you want to with.
00:10:00:09 - 00:10:03:18
Wayne Mulder
Your origin story. It sounds like your dad did some pretty interesting things as well.
00:10:03:18 - 00:10:21:24
Jarrod Anderson
Yeah, he here, he definitely led an interesting life. And then, you know, after I was born, as he kind of like settled down, you know, too, because he really raised me by himself. And and so after after I was born, he definitely took a took a back seat toward the action. The action life.
00:10:22:06 - 00:10:23:08
Wayne Mulder
Kids will do that, too. Yeah.
00:10:23:11 - 00:10:44:13
Jarrod Anderson
Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. But, um, so yeah, but he was a martial artist and like I, we had touched on before, like, he was a, he was a pie. He was like a manager of different nightclubs and controlled all their bouncers and security. So in pretty, pretty rough areas throughout Daytona Beach and Saint Louis, Missouri, and in Minneapolis as well.
00:10:44:13 - 00:11:02:07
Jarrod Anderson
So he definitely had the stories, but he was a lifelong martial artist as well, which is where my martial arts bug came from early on. You know, I was never in. I always just trained with him and he never pushed me or forced me to do it. So I was like, Oh, I don't want to do that. And then the next week, okay, let's do a little bit.
00:11:02:07 - 00:11:13:14
Jarrod Anderson
But my formal martial arts training in Brazilian jiu jitsu started in 2028, 2009 when I moved to to Florida specifically for that.
00:11:14:05 - 00:11:14:13
Wayne Mulder
Okay.
00:11:14:13 - 00:11:41:22
Jarrod Anderson
Okay. Like I mentioned before, I through high school, high school and shortly one or two years after graduation was definitely not my best moments. You know, got into a lot of trouble in high school. Nothing, nothing too crazy. Never. I never went to jail or anything like that. But my group of friends and I, we were we were pretty well known for, you know, getting in a lot of fights and a lot of brawls.
00:11:42:17 - 00:11:43:23
Jarrod Anderson
And how.
00:11:43:23 - 00:11:44:22
Wayne Mulder
Were you living in the South.
00:11:44:22 - 00:11:45:23
Wayne Mulder
At that time? I was in.
00:11:45:24 - 00:12:03:24
Jarrod Anderson
I was a minister. I was from Minnesota at that time. And so and then, you know, it just got to the point where I started to see the patterns, like, you know, doing the same thing over and over and over again. Nothing is changing. We're not going we're not improving ourselves or our lives. And that's like when I just kind of made the decision, you know what, I'm leaving.
00:12:04:06 - 00:12:14:00
Jarrod Anderson
I like I like martial arts, I like fighting, I like jiu jitsu. I'm going to go do something with that. So I left home, moved down to Florida, started training, and, you know, here I am today.
00:12:14:06 - 00:12:17:20
Wayne Mulder
Now, did you have some family or some fourth down here or was it just a kid?
00:12:17:20 - 00:12:18:24
Jarrod Anderson
I've got yeah, I've.
00:12:19:00 - 00:12:20:07
Wayne Mulder
Got a dart boarder.
00:12:20:10 - 00:12:42:09
Jarrod Anderson
And now I've got it and lives up in Fort St Lucie area and I'm down in Palm Beach. So I had no I had a family down here a little bit, but I, I moved down here with my dad for a year and so that's when I started training. And then after, you know, we couldn't really find any stable jobs.
00:12:43:05 - 00:13:01:24
Jarrod Anderson
So we ended up moving back. And then within a year of being back in Minnesota, my instructor that I was training with down here, who I stayed in contact with, I came back and visited a couple of times, called me and said, Hey, I'm opening up a new gym. I would love to have you come and be an instructor.
00:13:02:07 - 00:13:20:11
Jarrod Anderson
You know, you can you can live with me, all expenses paid. And I was I was still I was in my early 20 still at that time. Yeah. And so I said, don't deal because when I went back to Minnesota, I started to kind of fall right back into the normal thing with all my friends and stuff. And I just I didn't want that for myself at that time.
00:13:20:11 - 00:13:32:02
Jarrod Anderson
My goal was to be able to, you know what? If I can teach jujitsu, trained jiu jitsu, compete, That's all I wanted. And so when that phone call came, I jumped on it and I think I was on a plane the next week.
00:13:32:20 - 00:13:33:10
Wayne Mulder
That's awesome.
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Jarrod Anderson
That was in 2012.
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Wayne Mulder
Very cool. Do you think? And I think you kind of touched on a little bit, but how how important was it to get to a new geographical location when you talk about like the influencers and stuff and kind of like that catalyst for change?
00:13:49:12 - 00:14:10:23
Jarrod Anderson
I think it was crucial. You know, I think it was crucial because again, like I truly believe, you know, that we're products of our environment. And so like if you hang out with if you hang out with four assholes, you're probably going to become the fifth one. Yes. And you know, if you hang out with four world champions the same thing, you'll probably become the fifth one, you know.
00:14:10:23 - 00:14:28:11
Jarrod Anderson
And so I think surrounding yourself with and it's not that like I still love my friends to death and they're all and I've talked to them to this day and they've all grown up and everything now as well. But I think I needed that full life change to really kind of recenter and refocus myself into what I wanted to do.
00:14:28:23 - 00:14:47:14
Wayne Mulder
Yeah, I think that's super important and I kind of want to touch on that a little bit when we talked, because I know for me when I was young and in those high school years, it was so important for me. I spent most of them, not most, but several summers of my high school experience at Fort Campbell, Kentucky, because I had an Uncle Luke military.
00:14:48:00 - 00:14:54:03
Wayne Mulder
And that was huge for me, just getting to that different geographical location. Open your eyes to a different way of thinking.
00:14:54:11 - 00:14:55:02
Jarrod Anderson
Absolutely.
00:14:55:02 - 00:14:59:07
Wayne Mulder
Really? You can track so much of the positive things in my life back to those very moments.
00:14:59:15 - 00:14:59:24
Jarrod Anderson
Sure.
00:15:00:14 - 00:15:03:07
Wayne Mulder
So yeah, I think that's super important. So from there.
00:15:03:08 - 00:15:04:02
Wayne Mulder
Tell us a little bit.
00:15:04:02 - 00:15:07:19
Wayne Mulder
Because you've competed at a pretty high level. Yes. So yeah.
00:15:07:24 - 00:15:31:24
Jarrod Anderson
A little bit of that. So like I said, 2012 was when I like just like my full time Jiu-Jitsu career started to take off, you know, And I was still I was still relatively new, like I was blue blue belt in jujitsu, running pretty much running a gym under under a black belt. Teaching will teach you a lot of the classes training all day, like eat, sleep, train, repeat for, you know, multiple years on.
00:15:32:15 - 00:15:47:21
Jarrod Anderson
Yeah. So that started competing a lot, start winning a lot you know progressed you know eventually got my brown belt. Once I got my brown belt, I started to slow down a little bit because I was now I owned a gym. I was running my own gym and so.
00:15:48:07 - 00:15:50:16
Wayne Mulder
Got down there, Palm Beach down here in Florida.
00:15:51:09 - 00:16:02:13
Jarrod Anderson
Palm Beach Gardens. And so and then I got my black belt, and then I started competing a little bit more. So I was at my best my best competition years were actually after I received my black belt.
00:16:02:22 - 00:16:03:18
Wayne Mulder
Oh, wow.
00:16:03:18 - 00:16:10:03
Jarrod Anderson
You know, so I won the pan. I won the Pan American Championship, and then I got third in the world championships as a black girl.
00:16:10:20 - 00:16:12:01
Wayne Mulder
Congratulations. That's awesome.
00:16:12:10 - 00:16:13:16
Jarrod Anderson
You know.
00:16:13:16 - 00:16:37:07
Wayne Mulder
We've seen, you know, through this big push, we've seen it in the law enforcement world. And then obviously, like with MMA and so forth, this push towards a lot of the basics of B.J. and learning those techniques. What are your thoughts on that from two standpoints? First of all, for someone so someone like me, right, if you listen to the podcast at all.
00:16:37:07 - 00:16:58:05
Wayne Mulder
Yeah, you listen to these guys, this is all they talk about, right? So when you're listening to a Joe Rogan or, you know, these different guys that are out there, indie stuff, this is what they talk about is rolling on the mats and so forth. So to a guy like me that may be listening and interested in PJ but doesn't want to compete right like that.
00:16:58:14 - 00:17:02:16
Wayne Mulder
It can't be my life. What would you say to that person and what would be those first step ups?
00:17:03:01 - 00:17:20:10
Jarrod Anderson
Go train. You know, it's the competed, the competing, you know, was a big part of it for me and is a big part of it for other people. But it's not the entirety of it. You know, it's a lot of a lot of these guys, especially I'm seeing a lot of, you know, retired law enforcement people that get out of the military.
00:17:20:16 - 00:17:42:08
Jarrod Anderson
They need that. They need something that kind of stirs up those competitive juices a little bit. Jujitsu is for that. Or also, like we talked about, having peace on the mat is another part of it. You know, people that are suffering from PTSD and stuff, they need somewhere to focus, you know, that energy into a positive in jujitsu has been that for a lot of it as well.
00:17:42:08 - 00:18:09:01
Jarrod Anderson
So the best thing to do is to, you know, do your research, find a gym. You know, if you're if your interest isn't to become a competitor, you're probably not going to want to go to a gym That's 100% competition focused because you're not going to you know, you're either going to become a punching bag for other competitors or you're not going to be training, you know, functional jujitsu, you know, in terms of self defense or like, you know, straight applicable skills.
00:18:09:07 - 00:18:27:14
Jarrod Anderson
So I like to have a nice blend because obviously I was a competitor and I train I still train competitors part time, but my main focus now is more self-defense focused, you know, realistic combatives for for law enforcement, for security, for military and for myself.
00:18:28:05 - 00:18:48:09
Wayne Mulder
Yeah, No. And I mean, we obviously live in a world where security is becoming we're seeing things we've never seen before in this country, at least within my lifetime, and especially in some of these in inner city areas and so forth, things you're seeing across this country. So you're definitely seeing a focus of people wanting to learn these skills.
00:18:48:09 - 00:18:49:02
Wayne Mulder
Are you seeing it.
00:18:49:02 - 00:18:50:23
Wayne Mulder
Outside the law enforcement, military.
00:18:50:24 - 00:18:52:04
Wayne Mulder
Communities as well? Are you seeing.
00:18:52:10 - 00:19:22:03
Jarrod Anderson
Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm so I'm very good friend of mine, Ruben Alvarez, which I'm going to actually give you his contact information. He'd be someone good to have on your show. Israelis of Broward County, Broward County, SWAT cop. And he actually has his own training organization, which I'm involved with, you know, as a participant, as a student. And so I go to all of these courses and, you know, when I first started, I was like, oh, you know, it's probably going to be, you know, a lot of police officers and stuff, which was the opposite.
00:19:22:03 - 00:19:48:12
Jarrod Anderson
There was more civilians and police officers, you know, wanting keep law abiding citizens who want to learn how to be more proficient, you know, with their with the with their carry weapons and how to how to apply combatives while you're carrying with someone trying to go for your gun. Now, obviously, there's a lot of, you know, police officers in those courses as well, which you would think police would be more would want to be training more and more and more.
00:19:48:12 - 00:20:06:05
Jarrod Anderson
But unfortunately, that's not really the the theme that we're seeing a lot of. There are definitely there's I think I'm seeing more and more police officers, you know, take the initiative to get their own training, not just rely on whatever the department's going to be do for them, which is usually not watch.
00:20:06:12 - 00:20:06:20
Wayne Mulder
Right.
00:20:07:11 - 00:20:19:15
Jarrod Anderson
So they have to take that initiative to go out there, do it themselves. But I'm civilians. I'm seeing civilians, you know, doing the same tactical training and doing the same combatives training that, you know, many law enforcement officers are doing, too.
00:20:20:04 - 00:20:40:23
Wayne Mulder
That's awesome. As it should be. Yeah. The training within and this has become a theme here lately and it seems like interview after interview, but it's very true. The training out there with law enforcement is wholly inadequate at the agency level, but it is for several reasons. Right? So budgets play a big role in it. Absolutely. So yeah, if you're.
00:20:41:13 - 00:20:42:15
Wayne Mulder
Only if that's the.
00:20:42:15 - 00:20:50:19
Wayne Mulder
Only training you're getting, then in depending on the agency you work for in the state that you're in, you're probably only using your firearm once a year if yeah, maybe.
00:20:50:19 - 00:20:51:06
Wayne Mulder
Twice.
00:20:51:12 - 00:21:00:00
Wayne Mulder
If you do some sort of active because some states regulate active shooter training. Sure, you may do some sort of active shooter training in the summer and then some sort of qualification course.
00:21:00:03 - 00:21:00:23
Jarrod Anderson
Yeah, absolutely.
00:21:00:23 - 00:21:04:21
Wayne Mulder
And that's it. And then when it comes to I was just talking actually.
00:21:04:21 - 00:21:09:05
Wayne Mulder
Adam Hattori was the one that I was talking to about this.
00:21:10:02 - 00:21:12:16
Wayne Mulder
We were talking about how the training.
00:21:13:12 - 00:21:25:12
Wayne Mulder
Is so inadequate when it comes to self-defense training, because in some cases you're starting to see this incorporation of jiu jitsu into the curriculum, especially when we come to de-escalation training and so forth.
00:21:25:12 - 00:21:26:07
Jarrod Anderson
Absolutely. Yeah.
00:21:26:12 - 00:21:27:04
Wayne Mulder
But you're taught.
00:21:27:04 - 00:21:29:03
Wayne Mulder
Certain moves and then you don't see.
00:21:29:03 - 00:21:30:20
Wayne Mulder
Those moves again for two years.
00:21:30:24 - 00:21:32:01
Jarrod Anderson
Yeah, absolutely.
00:21:32:10 - 00:21:34:02
Wayne Mulder
I mean, honestly, we went.
00:21:34:02 - 00:21:40:11
Wayne Mulder
Through our cycle two months ago and I quite frankly, I would absolutely screw them up, you know? Sure.
00:21:40:24 - 00:21:42:10
Wayne Mulder
Yeah. There's no way that I.
00:21:42:10 - 00:21:44:03
Wayne Mulder
Would perfectly execute those.
00:21:44:10 - 00:22:02:22
Jarrod Anderson
Absolutely. So I got an invite. I got invited to to actually teach a segment of the I guess it was the floor. It was in our area, our Palm Beach area where I taught a segment in the actual instructors course. So I was training all of the instructors.
00:22:03:00 - 00:22:03:09
Wayne Mulder
Okay.
00:22:03:21 - 00:22:28:00
Jarrod Anderson
And and you saw it there like you know, a lot of these guys, they only see that stuff every every time they have to go requalify to get their instructor back patch And so even these guys who were supposed to be the ones teaching in these agencies don't really know a lot either. Yeah, you know, they do. They do enough to get there to get that instructor patch and that's it.
00:22:28:04 - 00:22:50:16
Jarrod Anderson
They don't train outside. And so when I got invited to that, I think there just seems to be there needs to be more of an emphasis again. Well I know it's a lot of it is budget you know the agencies can't afford to put out all these you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars a year towards training. And you are seeing some agencies put more of an emphasis on it.
00:22:50:16 - 00:22:56:19
Jarrod Anderson
But it should be a universal emphasis on it where, you know, they are everybody needs to train.
00:22:57:18 - 00:23:04:13
Wayne Mulder
Absolutely is there. So we talk a lot about the negative sides of it, you know, or the inadequacies of it.
00:23:04:18 - 00:23:08:24
Wayne Mulder
So flipping that coin on the side, what would be.
00:23:09:20 - 00:23:12:09
Wayne Mulder
You know, the whole rumor for the day kind of thinking.
00:23:12:15 - 00:23:13:23
Wayne Mulder
What would be adequate.
00:23:13:23 - 00:23:18:22
Wayne Mulder
Training to keep that skill set up in like a law enforcement type environment. So I'm not sure.
00:23:19:18 - 00:23:56:21
Jarrod Anderson
Yeah, I think it's even it still needs to be, you know, consistent to at least 2 to 3 times a week, I would say, you know, because at the end of the day, you're only going to be as good as what you put into it. So if you're not putting much into it, you know you're going to train once a month or whatever, which I think is still a huge improvement, you know, doing some type of a law enforcement combatives course once, once a month would be great, which is what what I'm actually working on developing now with my own training company is something where once a month we have a we have a course
00:23:56:21 - 00:24:30:09
Jarrod Anderson
that we offer into, you know, just basic combatives for, you know, and I'm not talking about like jujitsu that you're going to see in competitions and stuff. I want street applicable training that can be very specific to law enforcement, you know, whether it's taking somewhere down effective league, controlling them effectively. Part of part of my friend Reuben's course is, you know, while you're grappling introducing a weapon into that fight when needed and when not to because you know, if you do pull your weapon out too soon, you're giving them a chance to take it from when, Right?
00:24:30:18 - 00:24:56:16
Jarrod Anderson
If you have the combative skills, you don't need to present your weapon, You know, And so just I think the more and more of these courses that are coming out, I think people are starting to get more interested in it, you know, and because I think I think training you, if you have an officer that's training, you just jujitsu consistently on their own, I think they will eventually develop the confidence to where they can use it and apply it at work.
00:24:57:18 - 00:25:18:18
Jarrod Anderson
But there also needs to be that bridge where it's like, okay, we're not we're not wearing a guy, We're not you're training without any of your service patrol gear on. And you have to you have to blend it together now from, you know, your basic jujitsu training to now weapons based entanglements, weapons based training. And that's where, you know, Rubin's company is big on.
00:25:18:18 - 00:25:22:02
Jarrod Anderson
And that's what I eventually plan on producing as well.
00:25:22:11 - 00:25:43:14
Wayne Mulder
Okay. Yeah. No, I think that's I think that's super important. I mean, that's one of the things that they kind of train you on day one of the academy is that there's a weapon in every incident that you go to. Yes. Yes. You know, so depending on when we talk about retention or, you know, all these controlling the scene and so forth, it comes down to the fact that you've already introduced a weapon.
00:25:43:20 - 00:25:45:19
Wayne Mulder
Absolutely. By your mere presence.
00:25:45:24 - 00:25:46:23
Jarrod Anderson
Yeah, absolutely.
00:25:47:05 - 00:25:52:16
Wayne Mulder
What other besides obviously the need for more of it, they could beat that dead horse.
00:25:52:16 - 00:25:54:11
Wayne Mulder
But what other.
00:25:54:18 - 00:25:56:02
Wayne Mulder
Needs were you seeing?
00:25:56:02 - 00:25:57:24
Wayne Mulder
Because at some point here you can shift towards.
00:25:57:24 - 00:26:05:23
Wayne Mulder
Your friend Ruben's company and work out training world. What other deficiencies were you noting When we talk like law enforcement and civilian training?
00:26:06:09 - 00:26:28:01
Jarrod Anderson
Well, I would say honestly, I think there's I think the shooting shooting in general, you know, there's a lot of cops that aren't proficient in shooting. You know, like you said before, that maybe they maybe they trained once a year for their qualifications or if they're a part of a special unit, maybe they do more training throughout the year.
00:26:28:10 - 00:26:57:05
Jarrod Anderson
But I've seen I've seen a lot of police officers through these through these training courses that, for one, aren't comfortable holding a pistol in for two aren't aren't good at. Yeah. You know and when I see when I see and I'm just I'm a civilian. Yes. But I put a lot of effort in training hours into becoming, you know, proficient with not just, you know, obviously jiu jitsu and combative skills, but also, you know, pistol and rifle training.
00:26:57:05 - 00:27:16:01
Jarrod Anderson
You know, at the end of the day, my mission is to be the best protector I can be for my family and be able to protect myself and protect others. God forbid anything ever happens around me, but please, for law enforcement, that's their job. You know, they should want to be the best shooter, the best fighter. No, no, no.
00:27:16:01 - 00:27:25:21
Jarrod Anderson
Every case law by heart and just be able to just be effective at every base of being an officer and they'll just have we're not seeing that on a high level as of now.
00:27:27:12 - 00:27:50:19
Wayne Mulder
Correct. Fortunately, we're seeing more and more companies come out. And I do like what I'm seeing where they're blending the case law, because it's one thing to know how to do something. It's a whole nother thinking to understand the why you may do something that is so important. And one of the things that you kind of see on a national scale, a lot of problems get created when people don't know why they can or cannot do something.
00:27:50:19 - 00:27:52:00
Jarrod Anderson
So absolutely.
00:27:52:09 - 00:28:00:06
Wayne Mulder
Yeah. No, that's helpful. So the training. So you're currently working with a training company now, is that correct?
00:28:00:12 - 00:28:03:15
Jarrod Anderson
I don't know. I don't work. I don't work. I train with them.
00:28:03:23 - 00:28:04:08
Wayne Mulder
Okay.
00:28:04:11 - 00:28:28:10
Jarrod Anderson
So and I trained. So I'm doing I just I do the classes. Like I said, I'm right now, I'm a student. I'm I am developing my own training company that's going to focus more on the combatives and like introducing practical jiu jitsu to law enforcement officers and, you know, everyday citizens, too. But but as of right now, I'm enjoying being a student doing these courses and and helping out and teaching wherever I can.
00:28:28:10 - 00:28:50:24
Jarrod Anderson
I guess I get invited to teach, like I said, that the police academy doing the instructors course and stuff like that. And for me, I love it because that's unfortunately I wasn't able to become a police officer. But I feel like because of my experience, I can still serve one way or another by helping police officers become better protectors also.
00:28:51:15 - 00:29:09:19
Wayne Mulder
No, I think that's a great mission. When you in I know it's still in its infancy infancy, as you're kind of discussing and looking into what you want to do. But what is your vision? Is it going to be where you're essentially working with agencies and training at agencies, or is that going to be a decision based where they've got to come to your facility?
00:29:09:19 - 00:29:34:24
Jarrod Anderson
You know, I mean, it can be it can be, you know, like this right now. This is something I'm looking at on a smaller scale, you know, just whether I'm doing courses for agencies or whether I'm able to reach a good amount of officers as an individual who want to take this course with me, I know it's agencies aren't really bringing in companies and stuff.
00:29:35:02 - 00:29:49:17
Jarrod Anderson
They they kind of want to try to keep everything in-house is what I'm seeing a lot of. But that's what's that. Yeah. And then that but that's where I think it comes down to the individual officers themselves, you know, taking that extra step to, to learn, to train, whatever.
00:29:50:05 - 00:29:58:23
Wayne Mulder
Yeah. No, I think it's great and I think it's so needed and like I said, what, what I am enjoying seeing is that there is an increase of places that are doing it.
00:29:58:24 - 00:29:59:22
Jarrod Anderson
Absolutely. Yeah.
00:29:59:22 - 00:30:05:17
Wayne Mulder
But there's so many agencies in this country and so many law enforcement officers. Sure. We need as many as we can.
00:30:05:19 - 00:30:06:10
Jarrod Anderson
Absolutely.
00:30:06:10 - 00:30:07:17
Wayne Mulder
Fulfill the need that's there.
00:30:07:18 - 00:30:08:02
Jarrod Anderson
Yeah.
00:30:09:00 - 00:30:12:00
Wayne Mulder
So let's quickly. So you've managed several gyms, owned a gym?
00:30:12:11 - 00:30:36:09
Jarrod Anderson
Yeah, I've owned I owned two gyms. So the first one that I owned was again, here in Palm Beach. And then I partnered with with a good friend. A friend of mine, and we merged into a bigger gym. And so that's what I'm a part of now also. And that's right now that's I did that for since 2017 until this year where I was.
00:30:36:09 - 00:30:59:17
Jarrod Anderson
That was my full time gig. And then, you know, I'm engaged now. We have a son. And so now I wanted to make sure that I can have a more what's the word I'm looking for a more stable career position. And so I actually a friend of mine that I train, he works for Florida Power Light, and so he had a position on his team opened up and so I was able to get in there.
00:30:59:19 - 00:31:13:03
Jarrod Anderson
And so far I've loved I love where I'm at now as well. So I do the jujitsu training thing on the side. I'll be running courses on the side, and I still have my full time career with with FPL, which is a it's a great, great company.
00:31:13:03 - 00:31:15:12
Wayne Mulder
Oh, I'm sure. Of course, you guys are probably quite busy here.
00:31:15:18 - 00:31:21:03
Jarrod Anderson
Oh, I got the I got my first six months on the job, then I got deployed twice for hurricane relief.
00:31:21:12 - 00:31:45:14
Wayne Mulder
I'm sure. Well, I really appreciate what you guys, anyone from the state of Florida knows what these electrical companies do and the way that they just pour in. And yeah, and it's kind of neat because they come from across the country. Oh, yeah. Like your past guys out of Georgia and. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. It's pretty impressive the effort that people do to get the the things we take for granted back on for sure.
00:31:45:14 - 00:31:46:18
Jarrod Anderson
Yes, absolutely.
00:31:47:02 - 00:31:58:19
Wayne Mulder
Let me just quickly segue into a curiosity question. You sure about owning these gems? What are some of the lessons from a business standpoint? We've talked a lot about training, but I'm kind of curious on the standpoint, what are some of the lessons you learned from owning your own gems?
00:31:59:04 - 00:32:33:16
Jarrod Anderson
Um, well, I definitely think the lessons learned is, which is hard because I'm a people pleaser. I like to make everyone happy around me and I've learned the lesson where just you're not going to make everyone happy. And you know, and if you it's good to try, but try understanding that it's, it's obtainable. But so try not to make everyone happy, but also try to create a good atmosphere for people because at the end of the day, people, you know, I don't think of I don't I'm here to serve them.
00:32:33:17 - 00:32:51:22
Jarrod Anderson
They're paying me for my service, for the services. And so it's my responsibility to make sure that I'm doing the best job that I can to make sure they're fulfilling their goals, what their needs are and stuff like that. And I think there's a lot of gems that try to have a sense of control over their students, like, Oh, they tell them what to do.
00:32:51:22 - 00:33:12:02
Jarrod Anderson
They can't do this even to the point where all you can't train at other gyms. And I'm just not I'm not a fan of that. I think ultimately they're my customers. It's my job to, you know, provide my customers with with adequate training and a good and safe environment for them and their families. And and it's, you know, running a gym is hard.
00:33:12:04 - 00:33:28:02
Jarrod Anderson
You know, it's not easy. I did it. I did it by myself in a facility, in a big facility with a home where I was teaching six, seven classes a day plus plus managing the front desk, plus trying to do the marketing and sales and everything else. And it's it's definitely hard.
00:33:28:19 - 00:33:31:03
Wayne Mulder
Yeah. No, it is. And people and then.
00:33:31:07 - 00:33:32:07
Jarrod Anderson
And then COVID hit.
00:33:33:07 - 00:33:35:11
Wayne Mulder
So what did you how did you guys pivot through that?
00:33:35:19 - 00:33:56:14
Jarrod Anderson
So we were fortunate enough to have a good strong base of, of, of students and stuff that kind of stuck stuck with us through the whole, you know, quarantine and closures. And we did we did some some Zoom training and stuff like that just to keep people active. And but it was tough. We were closed for three months, three and a half months.
00:33:56:22 - 00:33:57:04
Wayne Mulder
Wow.
00:33:57:19 - 00:34:20:05
Jarrod Anderson
And, you know, it was definitely a tough hill to climb up. But we got we got through it and it ended up on the back end of it and ended up kind of projecting a bigger business for us because I think people started to realize that, you know, health and fitness and, you know, doing all these healthy things is important for staying healthy right now.
00:34:20:05 - 00:34:25:16
Wayne Mulder
That's that's super important. Yeah. I feel so bad for people in other states. We're very fortunate here in Florida.
00:34:25:16 - 00:34:25:23
Jarrod Anderson
Yeah.
00:34:26:10 - 00:34:36:12
Wayne Mulder
Other states such a, you know, the obvious ones, California, New York, so forth. I mean, some of those guys were shut down for 18 months or longer. Yeah. I don't know how you, how you keep any business going when you're being. Yeah.
00:34:36:18 - 00:34:50:21
Jarrod Anderson
It's it's tough. I know people that have, you know, gyms in California where they had to close they had to shut down permanently. I have friends that have restaurants in New York. Then it just opened up from before all of it. And they they had to permanently close down.
00:34:51:10 - 00:34:59:21
Wayne Mulder
Wow. That's sad because that really is what America is, is these small business owners absolutely tragic seeing seeing what happened.
00:35:00:10 - 00:35:00:17
Jarrod Anderson
Yeah.
00:35:01:03 - 00:35:14:14
Wayne Mulder
So I was just kind of segueing into the future of what you're doing with the training and so forth. What is your long term vision then? What is your goal or your dream like? What is next for you?
00:35:14:15 - 00:35:38:22
Jarrod Anderson
Jared So for me and in the in the training realm is like, I want to I want to help as many people as possible. I want to I want to make sure that police officers are confident in their abilities and they don't they're not nervous or scared because I think a big part of, you know, unfortunately, the bad shootings and stuff that sometimes happen, I think is can be a consequence of lack of confidence.
00:35:39:08 - 00:36:07:04
Jarrod Anderson
You know, someone gets scared and they they, you know, pull their weapon and shoot when it might not have been a situation where that was called for. And so I think if we can prepare officers to be more confident in their combative skills and more confident and just their overall attitude towards, you know, criminals in general, yeah, then I think it'll it can help kind of like take the spotlight away, so to speak, from, you know, the bad things that are happening.
00:36:07:04 - 00:36:32:01
Jarrod Anderson
So the more Pete, the more officers that I can help and empower with martial arts training, I think ultimately you can put a back, put a better light on that in the community and also take away some of their stresses because it's I'm I'm sure it's it's hard. You know, unfortunately for me, like I said, I didn't get to experience much of much of that from an officer standpoint.
00:36:32:08 - 00:36:49:23
Jarrod Anderson
But I know it's hard for those guys who are out there, not sure, you know, especially in these cities where people are hunting police officers and, you know, attacking and ambush and grease officers. How do you it's you're showing up to work knowing that, well, you might not go home.
00:36:50:12 - 00:36:51:24
Wayne Mulder
Yeah. Yeah. No, I.
00:36:52:14 - 00:37:15:12
Jarrod Anderson
And if anything that we can do to to give them a sense of comfort and relief, these to a certain extent to where they're capable and they're confident and they're, you know, they don't lose, they don't lose their shit that I think helps out a lot. So for that, I want to help. I want to help law enforcement become better officers and also for, you know, everyday, law abiding citizens.
00:37:15:12 - 00:37:41:10
Jarrod Anderson
You know, I think there's a lot of I'm a big advocate for for training. And I think the people that are there's a big majority of people that are, you know, concealed carry holders that have either never shot there, never trained with their gun, never trained how to how to present it, and let alone you know, at the end of the day, you got to you got to get to it first and then you got to be confident in using it.
00:37:42:09 - 00:38:07:00
Jarrod Anderson
And then you have to understand the, you know, the laws behind it. A good book that I, I just finished reading also called Violence of Mind. And and they the guy in there talks about it like he was in a self-defense situation where he was attacked by three people and he stabbed the person and then he went to prison for five years, even after the people that attacked him said, Yeah, we attacked him, We were drunk.
00:38:07:00 - 00:38:22:17
Jarrod Anderson
We went out of our way to find him and blah, blah, blah, and he ended up still going to prison, even though it was self-defense situation. Now, a lot of them think, you know, probably stabbing someone is not the best either. But, you know, at the end of the day, that's where he felt like he needed to do.
00:38:22:17 - 00:38:40:20
Jarrod Anderson
So. He talks a lot, but he's an instructor now as well, firearms instructor and a combatives instructor. And he talks about like, you know, you have to weigh the risk reward. Things like people are going to someone's going to cut you off in line and you're going to say something to offend them. Now they're ready to fight you.
00:38:40:20 - 00:38:50:24
Jarrod Anderson
Now maybe they're ready to kill you. You know, you're the mission is to get home safe. And if you're putting yourself in situations where that mission is in jeopardy, then it's it's not a good thing.
00:38:51:15 - 00:39:09:23
Wayne Mulder
No, that's great. I'm going to look that book up as well. Two thoughts that came to mind, though, from what you just said. The first is and this is just me speaking anecdotally, and I don't know if this is something you've noticed from outside law enforcement, maybe giving a different perspective, but there seems to be almost a generational thing.
00:39:09:23 - 00:39:24:24
Wayne Mulder
So I'm a little bit older than you. I'm in my early forties and there seems to be a generational thing that I'm noticing with newer, younger officers that come on, that have an overreliance on tools and less of a willingness to go hands on. Is that something you're seeing generationally?
00:39:24:24 - 00:39:44:24
Jarrod Anderson
I see. I've seen that a lot. And I actually was just speaking with a friend of mine last night who's a retired cop from from New York. And this is this was the topic that came up last night. And it was just like you're getting these younger officers who are getting hired because they you know, they have a nice Polish background.
00:39:45:09 - 00:40:17:20
Jarrod Anderson
They maybe know someone in the agency. It could be a family member and or they went to college. But the issue is, is when you're hiring, when you're hiring people that don't like that maybe have to to clean of a background of someone that's never been punched in the face, someone that's never been in a fight, someone that's never has no street knowledge or experience, you're going to create officers that don't know what to do when these bad situations come up, you know, there's going to be an overreliance on tools.
00:40:18:04 - 00:40:39:20
Jarrod Anderson
There's going to be a lack of wanting to actually engage hand-to-hand, like you said. And I think that's what you're seeing a lot of a couple of law enforcement bodies that we talk to is like and I don't mean this as a job training agencies, but they're I truly feel that a lot of these they're hired cheap to go after wolves and that's just not how the world works.
00:40:40:07 - 00:40:57:14
Wayne Mulder
That's an interesting I have not taken it that direction, at least not in these conversations. And that is very interesting to me that it really because there is in there's nothing wrong with this but there's a big push right now to get guys with bachelor's degrees, master's degrees, like, I mean.
00:40:57:14 - 00:41:04:23
Jarrod Anderson
That's that's what that's why I was passed over a lot of times because I didn't have that college. I didn't have enough college credits.
00:41:05:04 - 00:41:14:07
Wayne Mulder
I had the same difficulty because I had ran a business prior to coming into law enforcement. Sure. And I ran into the same thing where I was competing with guys that had or had their master's degrees.
00:41:14:11 - 00:41:14:22
Jarrod Anderson
Yeah.
00:41:15:11 - 00:41:20:23
Wayne Mulder
Running my own business. I just didn't see the need at that point to pay all this money to go to. Yeah, I wasn't.
00:41:20:23 - 00:41:44:02
Jarrod Anderson
I just I think, you know, they need to look and you know, most likely won't ever happen, but they need to look at, you know, you ran a business that's life skills, that's dealing with people, that's dealing with the public. For me, I ran a business teaching combatant fighting that's got to be looked at like as some of life skills that directly applies to law enforcement.
00:41:44:02 - 00:42:01:14
Jarrod Anderson
But I was told like, oh, you didn't have any stable career. You didn't have a stable career prior to this. So that went against you. It's like I taught martial arts my whole life. Like that's my that was my career, right. But, you know, it wasn't the job. Well, if you had worked for FPL for the last year, then you probably would have got it.
00:42:01:20 - 00:42:09:07
Jarrod Anderson
But because you, you know, a gym is unstable, blah, blah, blah, we don't see that as, you know, adequate life history or adequate job history.
00:42:09:13 - 00:42:30:15
Wayne Mulder
Right? Yeah. And I don't I'm someone who doesn't believe in an all or nothing approach, right? So two things can be true at once. So there is nothing wrong with having the college degrees and. Yeah, absolutely. You know, if they have a degree in criminal justice, that's wonderful. In fact, I'm indigenous to get my master's, but that, like you said, does shouldn't disqualify you.
00:42:30:15 - 00:42:42:12
Wayne Mulder
Find those life skills or those soft skills. Yeah, I honestly and I've said this before, one of my first jobs, Kmart, doesn't even exist anymore. I know. But for us older people, there was a Kmart back in, I remember Kmart.
00:42:42:24 - 00:42:48:02
Wayne Mulder
And that was one of my first jobs. But I often talk about how.
00:42:48:08 - 00:42:51:18
Wayne Mulder
The skills I learned there in dealing with people. They have 100.
00:42:51:18 - 00:42:52:09
Wayne Mulder
Percent.
00:42:53:01 - 00:42:57:23
Wayne Mulder
Transfer over to law enforcement. Absolutely. Are in a service based industry. You're dealing with.
00:42:57:23 - 00:42:58:24
Wayne Mulder
The public every day.
00:42:59:10 - 00:43:02:19
Wayne Mulder
And if you can learn those soft skills, you know, when you're 16 years.
00:43:02:19 - 00:43:04:17
Wayne Mulder
Old now, you know.
00:43:04:23 - 00:43:07:01
Wayne Mulder
In my forties, I rely.
00:43:07:01 - 00:43:08:22
Wayne Mulder
On that basis that I learned back then.
00:43:09:09 - 00:43:33:10
Jarrod Anderson
Absolutely. And that's what I tried to explain about, you know, being a martial arts instructor. I've dealt with every possible type of human being there is to deal with. They come through those doors. I've had, you know, obviously I've trained kids, women, teenagers, violent felons that just got out of prison and are trying to better themselves by doing something and to law enforcement officers.
00:43:33:10 - 00:43:55:11
Jarrod Anderson
That's why I like on the mat. We're a we're all one. Right. But if you break it up, it's such a big variety of people that are training, you know, and then learning and how to figuring out how to deal with each individual person differently because you can't treat everyone the same. It's you have to you know, I can't I can't talk to you the same way.
00:43:55:11 - 00:44:07:04
Jarrod Anderson
I'm going to talk to a guy that just got out of prison for stabbing someone. You know, you have to you have to speak to people differently based on, you know, the type of person that they are.
00:44:07:18 - 00:44:08:07
Wayne Mulder
Yeah, well, it's.
00:44:08:07 - 00:44:09:06
Wayne Mulder
Received differently.
00:44:09:10 - 00:44:10:08
Jarrod Anderson
People. Yeah, absolutely.
00:44:10:11 - 00:44:25:10
Wayne Mulder
We even say that sometimes, you know, in like a county type situation because certain types of certain parts of the county, the way you deal with someone in certain neighborhoods that are maybe above the middle class, you.
00:44:25:10 - 00:44:26:01
Wayne Mulder
Know, the way.
00:44:27:17 - 00:44:32:08
Wayne Mulder
The way that they interact with you is different than the interactions. And that doesn't make one right.
00:44:32:08 - 00:44:33:21
Wayne Mulder
Or one wrong. And I'm not saying it's.
00:44:33:21 - 00:44:34:02
Jarrod Anderson
Just.
00:44:34:09 - 00:44:42:14
Wayne Mulder
Always offering customer service and you're being professional. That's not what I'm saying. But yeah, there is certainly a different way those conversations take place.
00:44:42:20 - 00:44:43:20
Wayne Mulder
Absolutely. Each one.
00:44:43:20 - 00:44:45:07
Wayne Mulder
Of you are talking to the other one and.
00:44:45:07 - 00:44:49:05
Wayne Mulder
It's not absolutely wrong. It's just two different, just different worlds.
00:44:49:05 - 00:44:58:08
Jarrod Anderson
Yeah, absolutely. Two different worlds. And if you can if you can develop the skills to be able to communicate in all those different worlds, then I think that gives you a big edge.
00:44:58:13 - 00:45:05:24
Wayne Mulder
I think that's great. Yeah, that's exactly it is developing those skills to be able to communicate effectively no matter which situation you're in.
00:45:06:02 - 00:45:27:09
Jarrod Anderson
Because again, I think communication is a big thing for law enforcement as well, where if you do have those skills to effectively communicate with a wide variety of people, you can probably avoid, you know, any kind of escalation and stuff like that or be able to talk to someone and get your point across to where they understand what you're saying.
00:45:27:20 - 00:45:32:09
Wayne Mulder
Yeah, I would argue communication is as important as the self-defense skills.
00:45:32:09 - 00:45:39:19
Jarrod Anderson
I agree. I agree 100% because it's if you can effectively communicate, you're never going to get into a situation where you're going to need those skills, right?
00:45:40:09 - 00:45:48:20
Wayne Mulder
Yeah, exactly. And when we are seeing what we're seeing now with the need for de-escalation and even within the mental health, because there's more of a realization now, too.
00:45:48:22 - 00:45:49:04
Jarrod Anderson
Yeah.
00:45:50:01 - 00:45:59:20
Wayne Mulder
You know, of dealing with people who are going through mental health crises and absolutely do that. And yeah, those communication skills really are the basis for any good self-defense training.
00:45:59:20 - 00:46:30:12
Jarrod Anderson
Yeah. You know, it's it's almost like maybe they should look at more maybe training after the academy and those as those de-escalation courses that officers take. I think there needs to be a little bit of an emphasis on. I mean, ultimately every officer is also a negotiator. And so they should be I mean, that should be a big part of their training and being able to communicate and talk someone down, whether it's talking someone from jumping off the ledge or to talk someone down from shooting someone.
00:46:30:20 - 00:46:44:16
Jarrod Anderson
I mean, ultimately you're going to have to use the same communication techniques, you know, all around. So I think there should be communication courses and dealing with, you know, talking to talking people and de-escalating situations.
00:46:45:01 - 00:47:11:17
Wayne Mulder
Yeah. No. And in there are in some ways, but again, it's like everything, you know, there's the ideal and then there's the reality of where we're at. So we're, we're working that way. One thing that you are seeing is, again, kind of back to the generational side is like even the state of Florida saw that there were issues with younger generations because of things like social media and so forth, not having some of these basic communication skills.
00:47:11:17 - 00:47:42:04
Wayne Mulder
And yeah, to communicate, especially when someone has a differing opinion. Absolutely. So they've added to the law enforcement curriculum in Florida, different communication exercises. Oh, that's simple. As like something that's just a morning brief where they have to throw out a topic. Typically that topic is got to be something that is controversial and you've got to just hold why you believe what you believe and let people throw out a differing opinion on something as simple as that kind of helps to mold exactly what you're talking about.
00:47:42:04 - 00:47:54:12
Jarrod Anderson
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Because we especially. Yeah, in that line of work, you kid, I think the youth today are about like the generations below you, below me. It's like there is no compromise.
00:47:55:02 - 00:47:55:11
Wayne Mulder
Right.
00:47:55:11 - 00:48:18:18
Jarrod Anderson
There. There's either. You're right, I'm wrong and there's no, there's no discussion. And that and it gets it gets into extremes where it's like, you know, either people will start to fight each other because they disagree about something. And unfortunately, that's what's a big divide in our country, is because of those reasons, the lack of communication, the lack of them, not a lack of communication, but a lack of effective communication.
00:48:19:08 - 00:48:20:01
Wayne Mulder
Correct?
00:48:20:06 - 00:48:21:00
Wayne Mulder
Well, and even.
00:48:21:00 - 00:48:48:13
Wayne Mulder
Going back to, like the collegiate environment used to crack me up when you actually talk about communication, because there is actually a defined meaning of what communication is. And, you know, you have the speaker, you have the receiver, you have the feedback, like that's effective communication like you just said. Yeah. And you don't get that. If people provide feedback, then somebody gets their feelings hurt or, you know, whatever the case may be, which absolutely, sadly, like you said, leads to the divide that we're seeing.
00:48:48:20 - 00:48:59:16
Wayne Mulder
I argue all the time, and maybe that's why I started the podcast that one of the best ways to heal the divide is to have conversation, because I'm not always right. You're not for sure that's.
00:48:59:16 - 00:49:04:03
Wayne Mulder
On you and I can discuss where we're coming from. Things change. I'm not the same person I was at.
00:49:04:03 - 00:49:04:22
Wayne Mulder
20 years old.
00:49:05:05 - 00:49:09:14
Jarrod Anderson
No. Yeah, same same conversation. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
00:49:10:09 - 00:49:11:01
Wayne Mulder
No, I.
00:49:11:01 - 00:49:15:05
Jarrod Anderson
Love to do that. Yeah. To be able to do that. I think what would solve a lot of problems.
00:49:16:03 - 00:49:17:24
Wayne Mulder
I couldn't agree with you more.
00:49:18:15 - 00:49:27:18
Wayne Mulder
Well, we're getting down here on time. Let ask you, I've got my final question for you. Ask everybody who comes on the podcast and we've kind of touched on a few things that may qualify.
00:49:27:18 - 00:49:32:15
Wayne Mulder
For this, but I like to kind of wrap it up and just one actionable piece of advice. So, sure.
00:49:32:15 - 00:49:36:01
Wayne Mulder
What is the one take away the one thing that law enforcement officers.
00:49:36:01 - 00:49:39:02
Wayne Mulder
Can do that's going to make a difference in their personal lives.
00:49:39:19 - 00:50:11:06
Jarrod Anderson
In their personal lives. Yeah. Um, I would say and this is just from, you know, speaking to friends who are officers, I would say when you get home, be at home when you're at work, be at work. And I apply that to areas of my life as well because like I said, I have a fiancee and a son and I know before I oftentimes catch myself like I get home and now I'm thinking about work or then I go to work and I'm thinking about what happened at home and you need there needs to be that separation.
00:50:11:06 - 00:50:25:15
Jarrod Anderson
So it's like, you know, whatever you're doing right now in the moment, you that's where you need to focus on, you know, when you're at home, focus on home. When you're at work, focus on work. If you're playing baseball, focus on playing baseball, you know?
00:50:25:20 - 00:50:27:24
Wayne Mulder
Yes, that's great advice.
00:50:27:24 - 00:50:32:01
Jarrod Anderson
Being them, being them, be in the moment and just focus on the task at hand.
00:50:32:14 - 00:50:40:13
Wayne Mulder
Yep. Jared that is great, great advice and something that hopefully people take to heart because it can make such a big difference. What the best way for people to connect with you.
00:50:41:00 - 00:51:03:16
Jarrod Anderson
Um, so everyone can reach me on Instagram. My handle is coach Jared b.J and so I accept DMS. If anyone that listens, they want to shoot me a question or anything. I'm very, I'm very open. I'm an open book. People can message me, reach out to me however they want. And you know, I definitely just want to give a big shout out to to my good buddy Ruben Alvarez with Paradox Training Solutions.
00:51:03:24 - 00:51:19:16
Jarrod Anderson
Any law enforcement or or law abiding civilians that carry should definitely look into his classes because it's it's a it's a difference maker forum for people. And it's it can open a lot of people's eyes that maybe thought they were better than they were.
00:51:20:18 - 00:51:28:11
Wayne Mulder
It sounds good. I will be sure to link both of those up so people can connect with you and connect with Ruben. Well, sir, thank you so much for coming on. This has been a long.
00:51:28:11 - 00:51:29:15
Jarrod Anderson
Time and I appreciate it.
00:51:30:03 - 00:51:30:13
Wayne Mulder
Thanks.
00:51:30:24 - 00:51:31:05
Jarrod Anderson
All right.
00:51:32:13 - 00:51:53:14
Wayne Mulder
All right. So how was that? I hope you enjoyed it. I hope you enjoyed my conversation with Jared. I really enjoyed sitting down with him and getting to know somebody new and just hearing about the things that they're trying to do for the law enforcement community. I try to bring you a lot of different types of conversations. So if this one wasn't quite yours and you're like me, and I really wish you would talk to me now.
00:51:53:16 - 00:52:10:08
Wayne Mulder
Send us an email. You can always find out more about what I'm trying to do it on the blue line. O n on the blue line dot com. And then you can always follow us on social media, on the Blue Line podcast on most social media except for Twitter, which is add on the blue line and the number one.
00:52:10:20 - 00:52:35:19
Wayne Mulder
So thank you again for listening. Thank you again for telling others about the podcast, for following, liking, subscribing and all that good stuff. And thank you to those of you who financially have helped to push this show forward. That's a big part of getting us to the next level and hopefully getting to the point where I'm working with other people who can help edit and so forth, which in turn will allow me to get this out more regularly.
00:52:35:19 - 00:52:37:05
Wayne Mulder
Even with my current schedule.
00:52:37:05 - 00:52:53:22
Wayne Mulder
So thank you. Thank you so much for listening. I hope you have a wonderful week. I will see you next week for a while here. It's just going to be the interview room as we get cranking back up here. So the next couple of weeks you'll just get the interview show and then we will quickly be back to including Morning Roll Call.
00:52:54:03 - 00:53:25:16
Wayne Mulder
And for the foreseeable future, I will do everything I can to always keep this content coming to you because I get so much positive feedback that it's making a difference and that's really what it is all about. So more on everything we're doing on the blue line, on the blue line, dot com.